Hyper 9e Carbon Fiber Chassis. Kevlar, Aluminum & Carbon Fiber by MoosRacing. Sweet.

[molak]

Originally Posted by MindThoughts

Hi molak,
You're very sharp indeed; how did you know this? John confirmed your observation. He said the Black bodies are made in carbon fiber, and the Pearl black bodies are also made in carbon fiber. But the other colors he has right now, he refers to as imitation carbon fiber-but is exactly what you said- Aluminum Coated Fiberglass. What also amazes me is that John has the weight down to the same as the stock lexan bodies. That's awesome. Please post some pictures up of your Hyper 9E carbon fiber chassis once you get it. Have a great day :)

I have reading about carbon and kevlar composites for a while, until i found that US law forbid to ship those materials to my country (in raw form).


I haven´t got my Hyper 9e yet and according to what you set i won't have a carbon chassis

[MindThoughts]

Originally Posted by molak

I have reading about carbon and kevlar composites for a while, until i found that US law forbid to ship those materials to my country (in raw form).


I haven´t got my Hyper 9e yet and according to what you set i won't have a carbon chassis

Hi molak,
I can direct you to Robert of Matrix Concepts Inc, who is right now as we speak completing the finishing touches on the Complete Carbon Fiber Chassis and Carbon Fiber Kit for the Hyper 9E and Hyper 10sc as well. RCtech has a thread under Hobao Hyper 9E, last page and that should get you started. Robert of Matrix Concepts and John of MoosRacing are both Master Craftsmen in working with carbon fiber design for the purpose of performance and racing. You can also Google Search "Matrix Concepts Inc", and once at the home page, look to the upper right hand corner under Mission Statement, click on mission statement and you'll find Roberts direct emal address and direct phone number. Be sure to ask Robert to add you to the waiting list for the Complete Matrix Concepts Inc- Carbon Fiber Kit, which includes the Carbon Fiber Chassis, Carbon fiber shock towers, radio tray, center diff top plate, rear chassis brace, side guards, and more. The chassis alone should be priced at just under 100.oo dollars but specific pricing will not be set until the chassis and parts are released which will be around the time of the Nationals, which is quite soon. Let me know how this works out for you, I'm sure you'll be quite happy with Roberts work.

[whitrzac]

I would like to add that this is in NO WAY the chassis fault, there was 1 jump that would throw cars 20-30ft in the air with a crappy lander, and if you F***** up on the jump there was no way to prevent a nosedive from 20ft up...


FYI, the chassis didn't completely rip apart until the 10min race was over(I took 5th in the A) and I grabbed the buggy by the front tower to put in my car...

[MindThoughts]

Originally Posted by molak

I have reading about carbon and kevlar composites for a while, until i found that US law forbid to ship those materials to my country (in raw form).


I haven´t got my Hyper 9e yet and according to what you set i won't have a carbon chassis

It sounds like you are in a country other than the USA. John of MoosRacing is not in the USA, John of MoosRacing is in Denmark.

You know, I pretty much gave up on my chassis... but after looking at the chassis on here, it almost looks like mine was half a**ed. The quality on the stuff I see in this post is substantially higher than what I recieved, almost like they came from two different sources.

[MindThoughts]

Originally Posted by AMorgan

You know, I pretty much gave up on my chassis... but after looking at the chassis on here, it almost looks like mine was half a**ed. The quality on the stuff I see in this post is substantially higher than what I recieved, almost like they came from two different sources.

I know what you mean about giving up after two in a row. I sure hope the spur gear hole in the chassis is in the right place? In other words, did you get another nitro chassis when you ordered the electric chassis version, or did John take care of that?

PS. Did this second chassis have more bubbles and blemishes than the first carbon fiber chassis? Please post some pictures up of the carbon fiber chassis you received. I need to know what's going on here. This is extreemly important to me. Please take many pictures of every single problem with this chassis. Also, do think any of these problems you're having will affect the performance of your buggy/truggy/chassis? In other words, as much as I like to look at my chassis and show people how cool it is, the main thing I appreciate is the performance improvment of the lighter weight and improved/increased chassis flex. If you don't mind saying, how much did you pay for your chassis, and I'm sure you said in a previous post, but which model RC did you buy this MoosRacing chassis for?

I didn't end up sending the first one back as I got my motor mount the day I was going to ship it back and it had a cover for that hole, so I wasn't sweating that, but then I went to screw stuff down and the holes weren't deeply countersunk enough to make the screws flush with the bottom of the chassis (Screws sad .5mm-1mm below chassis). I contacted John about tips on cleaning up the countersinks since I would be going into carbon and never heard back, but when it came down to it, there weren't any reliefs in the chassis itself for things like the steering posts, so if I tighten those down, I likely would never be able to remove the screws easily like I can with the stock chassis, which has reliefs to limit the rotation. The pictures above have nice neat reliefs for what appears to be the steering posts and additional ones under the diffs, etc. Mine also was narrower in the front where the diff mounted, which seemed like it could end up being a chassis break point and the diff holes were crudely cut. Not as professional as I was hoping I guess. I'm thinking about taking it up with Matrix to see if they can make me something or bugging the company that makes 3mm chassis to see if they can make me something up. Seems like since they're CNC aluminum, it can be a lot more exact.

I just can't help but look at the chassis in this thread and notice how much more professional and thought out they appear to be compared to what came to me.

[MindThoughts]

Originally Posted by AMorgan

I didn't end up sending the first one back as I got my motor mount the day I was going to ship it back and it had a cover for that hole, so I wasn't sweating that, but then I went to screw stuff down and the holes weren't deeply countersunk enough to make the screws flush with the bottom of the chassis (Screws sad .5mm-1mm below chassis). I contacted John about tips on cleaning up the countersinks since I would be going into carbon and never heard back, but when it came down to it, there weren't any reliefs in the chassis itself for things like the steering posts, so if I tighten those down, I likely would never be able to remove the screws easily like I can with the stock chassis, which has reliefs to limit the rotation. The pictures above have nice neat reliefs for what appears to be the steering posts and additional ones under the diffs, etc. Mine also was narrower in the front where the diff mounted, which seemed like it could end up being a chassis break point and the diff holes were crudely cut. Not as professional as I was hoping I guess. I'm thinking about taking it up with Matrix to see if they can make me something or bugging the company that makes 3mm chassis to see if they can make me something up. Seems like since they're CNC aluminum, it can be a lot more exact.

I just can't help but look at the chassis in this thread and notice how much more professional and thought out they appear to be compared to what came to me.

If you've seen the Matrix concepts chassis, you must know that you cannot compare the matrix chassis to the MoosRacing chassis, insofar as looks, finish, and small and even big details such that you have mentioned. The limitations you are working within is that Matrix Concepts is not at the moment making carbon fiber chassis for most model RC's yet. And though Robert of Matrix Concepts is slowly expaning his line of chassis and parts, Robert is not making carbon fiber chassis and parts for all model rc's yet. Also keep in mind that Robert of Matrix Concepts spends months and even years testing and perfecting anything he makes. John of MoosRacing has a completely different approach. John will make just about any 1/8th scale chassis and part for anyone, very quick. Litterally make a mold and have the chassis ready in two weeks, even if that's the first chassis of that model RC. The pictures you saw on this thread are of my MoosRacing chassis, and John had no idea I was going to take pictures and or start this thread, that would be unfair to everyone. I didn't want John to know I was going to show millions and or billions of people my chassis. In johns eyes, I was just another customer, and therfore your chassis and my chassis are very likely have the same blemishes and what could be considered by many or some, to be problems. I can tell you this, before I ever knew Matrix Concepts was going to make a carbon fiber chassis for the Hyper 9e, I had asked John if he would make me a carbon fiber chassis, for my Hyper 9e, he said to give him two weeks and it should be done. I considered that a dream come true. Especially after I had just spent three months trying to find someone that would make me a carbon fiber chassis for my Hyper 9e. I can tell you right now, knowone was interested(except Robert of Matrix Concepts, he was interested), and people all over the world said it couldn't be done, and one of the reasons people said it couldn't be done is because they were convinced the final product would have to cost several hundred dollars and that it would also be way to much work to make these carbon fiber chassis. John has been making chassis for over four years now, the same quality you have in your hands is what 20% of Europe RC racers are racing with. My advice to you is put your RC together, find a way to make it work, and enjoy it. If you don't want to go that route you don't have to. You can toss that chassis aside and call it a day. I think it would be worth trying to make your chassis work for you. And as for what John cuts out and doesn't cut out, the only cut out my chassis has on the top side, is for the front and rear gearbox/bulkhead gaskets. But if your model requires that you need more than that, and John has not done this to your chassis, and has not respond to you, I would either try and fix it myself, or like you said, send it to a company that does custom work and can help you, or get another chassis from a different company. It's very clear that you are not totally happy with your chassis. I'm extreemly grateful John makes these chassis and is always improving his designs and materials and process.

As much as I like to see a happy carbon fiber chassis owner, Johns chassis are not for everyone. If you really want a chassis that is absolutely flowless in every single detail, Matrix Concepts is the only place I can think of working at that level. Johns chassis will perform well and lighten up your buggy, but right now, because of how quick John makes the molds and sends these chassis out, the chassis will have what could be considered to be blemishes. If you can see past those and find a way to get your RC back together, maybe you can grow to enjoy your chassis. Most people see past the blemishes, and are overwhelmed by gratitude of the performance increase. And others just love carbon fiber, regardless of specifications.

I really need to see pictures of all your concerns, this way I can contact John and discuss this with him. Will you please post as many pictures as you can of every concern you have, Please.

PS. Please post full shot pictures of the chassis, and also some close up pictures of the chassis details that bother you most, and least. I would like to see everything you are talking about. And I realize that you realize these blemishes may not be as big a deal as you sometimes feel they are, but you are expressing your desire to be listened to, and im listening and asking you to please post pictures in order that I and everyone on this thread, may better relate to you. Thank you in advance AMorgan, please get these pictures up :)

Note. Please put some screws into the bottom of your chassis so that I may see how much each screw is not flush with the bottom of your chassis. I know that John recumends to everyone running his chassis, to run a chassis protective sheet on the bottom as well. What I don't understand, is I've not heard one owner of these chassis say the screws were not flush on the bottom of the chassis, I would very much like to see this, picture please :)

Another Note: Please also post a picture of your original chassis relief where the steering post go into, I want to understand what you are talking about. And the best way for me to understand is by seeing pictures. Plus, I can copy these pictures and send them to John directly. I need these pictures, I can't emphasize this enough to you.

MindThoughts, I didn't have time to read your entire post tonight, but I will read it completely tomorrow. I'll also take some photos of my chassis. I need to do that anyway as I'm talking to Matrix concepts about some stuff. I realize they're two different animals between moos and matrix, but as much as I spend on my stuff, I want it to be right and for me to be happy with the final car.

[MindThoughts]

Originally Posted by AMorgan

MindThoughts, I didn't have time to read your entire post tonight, but I will read it completely tomorrow. I'll also take some photos of my chassis. I need to do that anyway as I'm talking to Matrix concepts about some stuff. I realize they're two different animals between moos and matrix, but as much as I spend on my stuff, I want it to be right and for me to be happy with the final car.

I completely understand. Let me know how everything works out. I can't wait to see these pictures :)

[whitrzac]

IDK whats up, but my 808 chassis is amazing, a few bubbles, but nothing major, the RC8 chassis on the other hand looks like it was cut out with a hacksaw and dremal the the pics don't show it well, but the holes are fraid no CA/epoxy in the diff releafs, no metal inserts for the droop screws, and there is a huge gouge in the top were he didn't use enough resin

the RC8 chassis





my 808

[MindThoughts]

Yeah, I can see you have no droop screw receiver screws. I thought John always put these in. You ordered this from Johns web site directly? or emailed John via his web site? So you have one super clean chassis, and one that looks like it's incomplete. Did these chassis ship to you at the same time, in the same package? did they both come from the same address? did you pay the same person account when you paid for these two chassis? look all this up and let me know. something seems inconsistant here. This is exactly why I asked AMorgan to put pictures up, they speak volumes. and I can see this is a problem.

Originally Posted by whitrzac

IDK whats up, but my 808 chassis is amazing, a few bubbles, but nothing major, the RC8 chassis on the other hand looks like it was cut out with a hacksaw and dremal the the pics don't show it well, but the holes are fraid no CA/epoxy in the diff releafs, no metal inserts for the droop screws, and there is a huge gouge in the top were he didn't use enough resin

the RC8 chassis





my 808

[whitrzac]

both bought via email directly from him, at the same time, the 808 chassis is suposedly an older one that someone didn't pick up.

I'll try to get better pics of the rc8 chassis today...

I tried to snap some photos last night, but they didn't turn outh. I'll try to take some more here in the next day or so. I unbolted some stuff to mount on to my aluminum chassis last night and under the stuff I unbolted it looks like the resin wasn't quite dry because the stuff I bolted down dented the chassis. As an example, I had mounted my radio tray and there were two round indents where the posts for the radio try tightened down. I think I am just going to ultimately stick with aluminum and try to work something out with BEC to make a thinner chassis to my specs, they've already told me they could help me out and then I know it's CNC, etc.

[MindThoughts]

Originally Posted by AMorgan

I tried to snap some photos last night, but they didn't turn outh. I'll try to take some more here in the next day or so. I unbolted some stuff to mount on to my aluminum chassis last night and under the stuff I unbolted it looks like the resin wasn't quite dry because the stuff I bolted down dented the chassis. As an example, I had mounted my radio tray and there were two round indents where the posts for the radio try tightened down. I think I am just going to ultimately stick with aluminum and try to work something out with BEC to make a thinner chassis to my specs, they've already told me they could help me out and then I know it's CNC, etc.

Yeah taking pictures at night with artificial lighting is extreemly hard. Take these pictures in the day light outdoors, both in direct sunlight and also some in the shade. The pictures you take in the shade in the day time should come out very clear, I hope you get these pictures up soon because I really am interested in seeing what's going on here with your situation. The good thing is, now you can snap some pictures of this new problem of the resin you mention seems not dried. I'll be keeping an eye on this tread to see your pictures. Please get them up as soon as you can. If your having trouble taking them, maybe you can ask for some help from someone you know that's better at photography? Try the daytime shade outdoor scene and see what happens.