MaxAmps Race Edition Lipos

Originally Posted by PBO

So you're to blame

No I am not to blame. Blame Toyota that gave my dumb fat arse the job.

Originally Posted by PBO

Don't US residential loans offer what we know as 'redraw facilities'?

The redraw allows you to access the extra payments in times of need all the while keeping the interest component down - win/win for the borrower with spare cash

That is exactly my plan PBO. All the extra money that I have put on the loan I can access at any time I want but I have to pay a $50 fee and it has to be a minimum of $2000 redraw. No probs there but what I think it is worth mentioning is the difference in interest rate. The difference is huge compared to what you guys in U.S. pay. I pay 7.30%p.a. Not sure what you guys in U.S. pay but I bet it's a lot less than that. Our economy took the GFC reasonably well compared to a lot of countries but there is a price to be paid for that and higher interest rates are one of them.

Jerry to be honest my particular plant has been blessed. Even when other Toyota plants around the world were dropping shifts and other manufacturers closing doors on some of their plants altogether we were still pumping out cars and doing overtime. The reason for that is that we supply the Arab market with our cars and ........ well they are pretty rich and didn't feel much of the GFC effect. They kept on buying cars at the pretty much the same rate as usual.
Other Toyota plants around the world got pretty jealous with us and we nearly lost a certain percentage of our quota to them but in the end we ended up keeping it somehow. Things are a lot better now so they have left us alone. Right now we are coming to the end of the model run and we are still doing couple of hours overtime a every day. It will slow down for couple of months towards the middle of the year but when the new model kicks in it should be back to crazy amounts of overtime.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by BIG-block

Our economy took the GFC reasonably well compared to a lot of countries but there is a price to be paid for that and higher interest rates are one of them.

"Severely Unaffordable" housing is one...

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Page 9 of this US report shows Australian capitol cities among the least affordable in the world (source countries anyway)

Atlanta, GA average housing affordability = 2.3 x average income
Melbourne, AUS average housing affordability = 9.0 x average income
Sydney, AUS average housing affordability = 9.6 x average income

[v1d9uy]

you mean iv read this entire thread just to find that there is still not a graph ....
im all about supporting local buisnesses. and i have no problem paying the price for quality
if im actually getting quality with a decent warranty. that said i LOVE castle creations
and am scared of MA. im not saying i havent had 2 mmps just stop... but i was taken care of super fast and with no cost one time and a very small cost the second time....

ma needs to revamp and actually stand behind there warranty on top of making a decent battery. id pay 2 or 3 times the going rate for a turnigy if it had a decent warranty..

[J57ltr]

Originally Posted by v1d9uy

you mean iv read this entire thread just to find that there is still not a graph ....
im all about supporting local buisnesses. and i have no problem paying the price for quality
if im actually getting quality with a decent warranty. that said i LOVE castle creations and am scared of MA. im not saying i havent had 2 mmps just stop... but i was taken care of super fast and with no cost one time and a very small cost the second time....

ma needs to revamp and actually stand behind there warranty on top of making a decent battery. id pay 2 or 3 times the going rate for a turnigy if it had a decent warranty..

That's right you wasted your time. I have read every Max amps thread on here and every one is the same. MA comes on here and makes claims and promises about getting graphs and and never follow through with what they say. They post graphs that aren't really very good. The one they posted on here I was not impressed with at all since they say 150C. They never follow through with what they say.

It makes me want to start buying cells, assembling and selling them myself with real specs instead of made up crap. It is really a shame that an American company would be so blatantly dishonest, I expect it from the Chinese. Not that there are not snake oil salesmen here (just look at a Sky Mall catalog), but come on.

BTW for S's & G's I was able to start my 3.8L V6 with only a 4S3P A123 cells so them starting that engine doesn't impress me in the least.

Jeff

[thzero]

Yeah but your 3.8l v6 doesn't impress anyone :)

[J57ltr]

Originally Posted by thzero

Yeah but your 3.8l v6 doesn't impress anyone :)

Maybe not this 3.8L but my old one with 440 ft/lbs @ 3500 rpm and 390 hp at 5800 probably would, and it would be just as easy to start :)

Besides most v8 engines will take less than 300 amps to start all day everyday, and that was in the days of the non gear reduection starter.

Max Amps still sucks.

Jeff

[JERRY2KONE]

Yea its funny how the MA crew have stopped posting up in here. Kind of reminded me of the old saying, that it is hard to win an A$$ kicking contest when you only have one leg. You cannot win an arguement when you have nothing to stand on, or only half a brain. Kind of like trying to win a murder case, when you know you did it. The guilty always plead the fifth, hence the silence from that end of the table..... MA should be ashamed of themselves for the way they have handled this situation, and crapped all over their own reputation. Not that it was so great to begin with. In my book no better than a suicide bomber walking into a church hurting inocent people who are foolish enough to trust that all people are good by nature. You can dress a skunk up in a Tux, but it still stinks the place up. Sorry but I am so disappointed that they have not followed through with the graphs showing their own claims. It just answers the question as to whether these packs are really what they say they are. NOT!!!!!

[sikeston34m]

They took their OLD 6500SS Series packs, and made some pretty new labels. Then revamped all the numbers.

Probably came up with some new arguments about how nothing can be tested.

They are not the only ones doing this type of dress up work though.

Recently I bought a "12 cell" laptop battery. It wasn't OEM, but an aftermarket replacement. Clearly marked 8800mah on the pack.

I wanted to get the 12 - 18650 cells to use on a project.

I opened it up and there were only 9 -18650 cells inside, and each cell was only a 2000mah cell. There were 3 dummy tubes inside to take up the extra space. I'm sure alot of people didn't know the difference.

Just Like Maxamps!

[What's_nitro?]

Originally Posted by sikeston34m

Recently I bought a "12 cell" laptop battery. It wasn't OEM, but an aftermarket replacement. Clearly marked 8800mah on the pack.

I wanted to get the 12 - 18650 cells to use on a project.

I opened it up and there were only 9 -18650 cells inside, and each cell was only a 2000mah cell. There were 3 dummy tubes inside to take up the extra space.

Wow....... Did you call them on it?

[aqwut]

Originally Posted by sikeston34m

They took their OLD 6500SS Series packs, and made some pretty new labels. Then revamped all the numbers.

Probably came up with some new arguments about how nothing can be tested.

They are not the only ones doing this type of dress up work though.

Recently I bought a "12 cell" laptop battery. It wasn't OEM, but an aftermarket replacement. Clearly marked 8800mah on the pack.

I wanted to get the 12 - 18650 cells to use on a project.

I opened it up and there were only 9 -18650 cells inside, and each cell was only a 2000mah cell. There were 3 dummy tubes inside to take up the extra space. I'm sure alot of people didn't know the difference.

Just Like Maxamps!

LOL...
I've been out of the RC Scene for a while and still a bunch of BS going around.. I actually thought it was going to be different before I read the whole thread..

[suicideneil]

Meh, clearly a total noob if he had to ask all his 'expert' friends and they suggested maxamps as being the best possible packs- they arent slightly more expensive than budget lipos, they are massively more expensive than top end brands...

Someone tell him to enable the data logging feature and post up some graphs, I cant wait to see him realise how badly those packs perform vs their rated specs...

[thzero]

Just cuz they don't agree with you doesn't make them a newb. I know he's been around a lot in the Baja gas world, maybe he's a e-newb.

But they aren't that much more expensive than say Hyperion, TP, etc. Against the Turnigy, etc. of the world, very much so, but so are Hyp, etc.

Originally Posted by suicideneil

Meh, clearly a total noob if he had to ask all his 'expert' friends and they suggested maxamps as being the best possible packs- they arent slightly more expensive than budget lipos, they are massively more expensive than top end brands...

Yes, graphs are always interesting of all battery types...

Originally Posted by suicideneil

Someone tell him to enable the data logging feature and post up some graphs, I cant wait to see him realise how badly those packs perform vs their rated specs...

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by thzero

Just cuz they don't agree with you doesn't make them a newb. I know he's been around a lot in the Baja gas world, maybe he's a e-newb.

But they aren't that much more expensive than say Hyperion, TP, etc. Against the Turnigy, etc. of the world, very much so, but so are Hyp, etc.



Yes, graphs are always interesting of all battery types...

Compared to their performance by those who have had the chance to use them, they are not worth even close to that. Performance wise they are not even equal to other brands of lower specs. If the cost was half of what they are charging maybe.

[suicideneil]

Originally Posted by thzero

Just cuz they don't agree with you doesn't make them a newb. I know he's been around a lot in the Baja gas world, maybe he's a e-newb.

But they aren't that much more expensive than say Hyperion, TP, etc. Against the Turnigy, etc. of the world, very much so, but so are Hyp, etc.

That much is pretty obvious as he had no real Lipo knowledge.

True though, the MA packs are a similar price to TP or Hyperions, but those lipos perform wayyyyyyyy better than the MA packs could ever hope too, we know this for a fact as we have graphs & discharge logs. If the MA packs performed as well as the other premium brands then I wouldn't be half as critical of them, but they just dont...

[brian015]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

Someone tell him to enable the data logging feature and post up some graphs, I cant wait to see him realise how badly those packs perform vs their rated specs...

+1

Maybe we'll finally get some graphs for this thread!!!

Originally Posted by Arct1k

From Saterdays bash the Maxamps 6500mah packs seemed to run about the same as the 4500mah Turnigys.

The turnigys's hadn't yet hit the lipo cutoff and when I charged them I put 4500 back in.

The Maxamps hit the LVC and took about 5000mah IIRC.

Ouch.



Edit: Meanwhile, back at FastEddy's thread, the RCM crowd is chiming in!

http://www.hpibajaforum.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=101706