MMM availibility date dropped!

[lutach]

Castle would've satisfied 99% of people if they had just released the controller first and then worry about the motor.

[Dagger Thrasher]

I don't think they would. There are a LOT of other RC'ers out there who aren't brushless-brains, and who just want a powerful system to drop into their E-Maxx, for example. An ESC on it's own isn't going to be hugely attractive to them, as they still won't really know what motor to choose...and it's tricky. A combo, complete with motor, will be the perfect ticket for a LOT of people. Sure, many of us here would like the ESC on its own, but there's a whole other market for those who just want a complete system to drop in.
There aren't really an "ideal" big motors out there for the less knowledgeable guys; Feigaos are inefficient and fall apart, and Neus are nice but very expensive. The CC motor should be just the ticket.

[lutach]

I'm pretty sure those guys will have deep pockets too. They will need to do a lot of up grading for the drive train to hold up to all the RPMs and torque from what they'll be offering. Most people that are new to brushless woud've been fine with a cheaper motor to get used to it before going to a nice Neu or any other high end motor.

[Haldir]

I can buy 7 feigay motors for the price of one neu.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by Haldir

I can buy 7 feigay motors for the price of one neu.

I'm pretty sure you meant feigao motors

Price is a big issue for many people but if you are looking for a high performance system for racing then you will most likely end up paying a premium to stay competitve. The NEU motors are very efficient and if they can handle the higher rpm range as well then they will be very versitile as well. The Mega motors are another alternative for those with tighter pockets but want better quality than the feigao type motors.

I think if I were to do it over I would have gone for a 1512 instead of a 1515 for racing because I just can't utilize all the power available from the 1515 and I may have squeezed some extra runtime as well

I use a Mega motor for my smaller 1/10th vehicles

[highflier]

Originally Posted by starscream

I use a Mega motor for my smaller 1/10th vehicles

Which mega on the 1/10 scale?

Highflier

[sleebus.jones]

Originally Posted by Dagger Thrasher

I don't think they would. There are a LOT of other RC'ers out there who aren't brushless-brains, and who just want a powerful system to drop into their E-Maxx, for example.

Yep, I agree 100%. I'm betting a lot of these setups are going to drop into the new 16.8v Emaxx. What's 16.8 * 2200?

Well golly gee, it's 36960 RPM.

I think that was most likely the reason for the motor choice with the package. I would say that more than likely the majority of MMM owners won't start off with a 5S LiPo pack. They probably won't spend $300 on a MMM and then $200 on a pack for it. That's more than the cost of the truck right there. But a 2200 will work well with a 14S NiMH setup, and be insane on LiPo when they do make the plunge...kinda like how the MM is now.

I'm pretty sure they'll introduce lower KV motors later. I know they came out with the 6900Kv after the MM launched. It's certainly possible for the MMM.

Sleeb

[cart213]

A 1515 is about $280. Where can you get an XL Feigao for $40?

[lutach]

I can get them for bellow that if I buy 100 units and that was in 2005. I'm sure I can get it for less if I try negotiating a bit.

[cart213]

Originally Posted by lutach

I can get them for bellow that if I buy 100 units and that was in 2005. I'm sure I can get it for less if I try negotiating a bit.

Sure, but not many people buy motors in bulk!

[ssspconcepts]

Originally Posted by cart213

A 1515 is about $280. Where can you get an XL Feigao for $40?

Actually, I noticed that Neu is now selling the 1515 series motors for $245 smooth can and $255 for finned can versions. Not bad.

[Dagger Thrasher]

I'm pretty sure those guys will have deep pockets too. They will need to do a lot of up grading for the drive train to hold up to all the RPMs and torque from what they'll be offering. Most people that are new to brushless woud've been fine with a cheaper motor to get used to it before going to a nice Neu or any other high end motor.

I see your point, but that's not what I mean. A great deal of people won't want to have to hunt around, working out which motor they should go for, etc; they just want a system to drop right in. Even if some did choose their own Feigao, you all know how easy it is for them to overheat in the wrong setup. Or just plain fall apart. And with the new E-Maxx, that's easy; it doesn't require any upgrades to handle brushless power (the new E and the MMM seem like the perfect couple to me!) Plus, the CC motor should be one of the first big motors to offer good efficiency and physical durability at an affordable price.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Roll on the MMM!

[SpEEdyBL]

There is nothing wrong with high rpms with a quality motor. My novak hv4.5 for example is rated at 4800 kv unloaded. To be fair, I assume it drops to 3800-4000 kv under a load - still 55,000+ rpm on 4s. Geared properly, it's a touch faster than an overgeared 8xl at 20/51 in my ofna mbx which heated both the motor and the mamba max to 195 degrees in less than 5 minutes. I tested the limits of the novak motor and I got it to thermal in my 8ight geared 12/46 after 9 minutes of speed passes and the motor was only 160 degrees.

Neu motors are very similar internally to novak motors, so im sure they will be able to handle high rpm just find. IMO, the 2200 kv neu motor is very versatile. 2200 kv seems to be about right to be able to use almost the whole range of pinion gears on 4s. Gear down if you want less power. Then if you do want power, you can run 6s no problem. Since the neu motors are so much more efficient than feigao motors, you don't need to run 6s to keep things cool. 6s is only needed for maximum power.

[Sower]

Originally Posted by SpEEdyBL

There is nothing wrong with high rpms with a quality motor. My novak hv4.5 for example is rated at 4800 kv unloaded. To be fair, I assume it drops to 3800-4000 kv under a load - still 55,000+ rpm on 4s. Geared properly, it's a touch faster than an overgeared 8xl at 20/51 in my ofna mbx which heated both the motor and the mamba max to 195 degrees in less than 5 minutes. I tested the limits of the novak motor and I got it to thermal in my 8ight geared 12/46 after 9 minutes of speed passes and the motor was only 160 degrees.

Neu motors are very similar internally to novak motors, so im sure they will be able to handle high rpm just find. IMO, the 2200 kv neu motor is very versatile. 2200 kv seems to be about right to be able to use almost the whole range of pinion gears on 4s. Gear down if you want less power. Then if you do want power, you can run 6s no problem. Since the neu motors are so much more efficient than feigao motors, you don't need to run 6s to keep things cool. 6s is only needed for maximum power.

The only thing I can say here is that the intention for most people to go with the 6s vs 4s isn't the "more power" argument as much as efficiency. By reducing the amp draw with higher voltage things just run better. I have no problem with the 2200 motor except on 6s. Some people may be fine with it, but I feel it's outside the motor's ideal efficiency. Especially if you're looking to race. Otherwise I'm sure you could have a lot of fun with it. I mean heck, who wouldn't think it's cool to see a 1/8 truggy blasting by you at 70mph?

[johnrobholmes]

Originally Posted by Sower

I have no problem with the 2200 motor except on 6s. Some people may be fine with it, but I feel it's outside the motor's ideal efficiency. Especially if you're looking to race.

So I assume you are on the design team and have seen the efficiency curves then huh? So much speculation here when in fact NONE of us know jack about the motor other than KV. Knowing Castle's track record, I seriously doubt they would suggest 6s on a motor unless it runs good. If the efficiency suffers, then it will show up as extra heat when the rig is geared for the same final speed.