elc. conversion project done right... with an 808

Originally Posted by whitrzac

I'v got all winter to buy stuff and I won't be keeping any recipts

the list
one off custom chassis/batt box
TI turnbuckles
alloy "balls" that go into the rod ends
CF front top plate
alloy axles


whats everyone think about useing standard 14mm shocks instaid of BBs???

what about a CF motor plate?

from what I'v read, I can melt the resin and "bend" the CF with a heat gun, right?

get the new xray 5mm turnbuckles. they are 50% lighter then stock and get all the lighten outdrives. those are going to save up a bit of weight too.

all i want to get for my car is the lighten outdrives but i think if i do im going to be to light to race in any big event lol. im currently at 3280g and the lightest you can be is 3200 lol.

[rootar]

not to burst you bubble but the Mp-9 i built is and was the 1st sub 7 pounder but its not possible to get one that light and have it run 15 minutes we get 12-13 out of it and thats pushing it....

just search Josh's MP-9 and yes the 808 it LIGHT but not near as light as the mp9....the weight is in the drivetrain diffs, shafts, etc.... with out sarcrifaicing durability which is the main point of an 1/8th scale...

[whitrzac]

Originally Posted by rootar

not to burst you bubble but the Mp-9 i built is and was the 1st sub 7 pounder but its not possible to get one that light and have it run 15 minutes we get 12-13 out of it and thats pushing it....

just search Josh's MP-9 and yes the 808 it LIGHT but not near as light as the mp9....the weight is in the drivetrain diffs, shafts, etc.... with out sarcrifaicing durability which is the main point of an 1/8th scale...

I will do it!!!

[rootar]

if you want to shave weight run a thin body thats been painted light, dont run scrapers or mud guards, use a smaller low kv motor 1300-1700 kv on 6s 2600-3300. keep the car all plastic, use the updated links, dont run a rx box. and if your desperate you could replace all the hardware.....

other than that there really isnt much you can do with out sacraficing durability.

[whitrzac]

the plan

custom CF chassis, with integrated batt box+servo mounts
TI turnbuckles
TI screws
TI hingpins
aloy axles

for a motor, the 1412 is looking realy nice...

any opinions on useing standard 14mm shocks over BBs??

[rootar]

the standard xray shocks dont even compare to the big bores.... the xray big bores are the best shocks you can get..... they are in a league of their own

[glassdoctor]

Back in the day, I had my Losi at 7lbs 3oz and could have dropped the 3oz pretty easy. I could have swapped the 1512 for a 1509, and that would almost do it. Also, I was running a Kokam 4s 4800 which heavier than the average pack (per mah) so could have saved a little there too.

It's not that hard to do with a Losi/808, just have to pick a light motor/batt and go simple on the batt mount.

[glassdoctor]

btw, my Caster Fusion Pro was 7.5lbs earlier this summer... it's a little fatter now, with a different motor/esc/batt setup. That's pretty light considering most E buggies are well over 8lbs... often around 9lbs

[whitrzac]

the goody list....

Elite RC motor mount don't hang me, but I like this mount better than the RCM one...
novak battery trays
x2 3s 3300mah hyperion G3 25c(for now)
custom CF chassis
tekin 1400

after a little playing around, I decided to go with a duel pack layout like the caster.

can anyone conferm that the H9 center diff is SHORTER?

[Desert Rc]

Wow that is a sick ass mount...like the Losi only better!! WOW!! Well I just bought a xt8 now I have to buy a friggin Mugen just for the mount....and its a bad ass truggy!!

Gosh and I just bought a new mount from mike for the 808. Hmmm

[whitrzac]

anyone know were to get some novak batt trays other than there store???

[RC-Monster Mike]

How do you know you like that mount better? Have you ever used mine? My 808 mount is lighter(negligible), allows easy diff removal, will last longer without wear(that design will eventually develop slop), accepts mechanical brakes and is black anodized to match the car.
Nothing against those mounts(or Brandon, who used to be a good customer) - they look nice - and the top screw access is a nice feature on paper, but how often do you really change the pinion(and when you do, my mounts only require 1/2 turn with an l wrench to remove the motor)?
The 7075 vs 6061 thing is more marketing than anything else - either material is sufficient on these items. On a part this small, the cost difference is within a buck or two. Technically the 7075 is stronger, but also heavier. I choose to use 6061 because the 7075 is not needed - the strength is in the design(several thousand mounts sold and 12 +/- bent - way less than 1% failure rate). I do encourage you to try whatever you like, but perhaps you can reserve judgement on which one you like better until after you try both. :)

[whitrzac]

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike

How do you know you like that mount better? Have you ever used mine? My 808 mount is lighter(negligible), allows easy diff removal, will last longer without wear(that design will eventually develop slop), accepts mechanical brakes and is black anodized to match the car.
Nothing against those mounts(or Brandon, who used to be a good customer) - they look nice - and the top screw access is a nice feature on paper, but how often do you really change the pinion(and when you do, my mounts only require 1/2 turn with an l wrench to remove the motor)?
The 7075 vs 6061 thing is more marketing than anything else - either material is sufficient on these items. On a part this small, the cost difference is within a buck or two. Technically the 7075 is stronger, but also heavier. I choose to use 6061 because the 7075 is not needed - the strength is in the design(several thousand mounts sold and 12 +/- bent - way less than 1% failure rate). I do encourage you to try whatever you like, but perhaps you can reserve judgement on which one you like better until after you try both. :)

yep, I have one of your mounts on my jammin, I love it, but removing he motor is a PIA, I'm not using mechanical brakes, or need the center diff access...


I will probably end up with one of your mounts, but I want to try one of these first.

[rootar]

i hate the one screw mounts, i just dont trust them... and most will need replaced in one season due to the slop. You want a light weight easy to work on on buggy take a look at my 808 you remove 4 screws and loose the two motor screw a half turn, and cut one zip tie on the rx and bingo you have just stripped the entire car's electronics, dont unplug anything just comes right off.....in less than minute, makes its SOOO easy to clean between rounds.

Originally Posted by whitrzac

the goody list....

Elite RC motor mount don't hang me, but I like this mount better than the RCM one...
novak battery trays
x2 3s 3300mah hyperion G3 25c(for now)
custom CF chassis
tekin 1400

after a little playing around, I decided to go with a duel pack layout like the caster.

can anyone conferm that the H9 center diff is SHORTER?

Hey Whitrzac, got your 4mm holes drilled..

Originally Posted by Desert Rc

Wow that is a sick ass mount...like the Losi only better!! WOW!! Well I just bought a xt8 now I have to buy a friggin Mugen just for the mount....and its a bad ass truggy!!

Gosh and I just bought a new mount from mike for the 808. Hmmm

Thanks Desert RC for your compliments, I use to have 2 threads on this message board with pictures & details of my MP9 & MBX6T, but some how it was deleted or magically disappeared TWICE, kinda funny, but I'm glad you found it elsewhere

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike

How do you know you like that mount better? Have you ever used mine? My 808 mount is lighter(negligible), allows easy diff removal, will last longer without wear(that design will eventually develop slop), accepts mechanical brakes and is black anodized to match the car.
Nothing against those mounts(or Brandon, who used to be a good customer) - they look nice - and the top screw access is a nice feature on paper, but how often do you really change the pinion(and when you do, my mounts only require 1/2 turn with an l wrench to remove the motor)?
The 7075 vs 6061 thing is more marketing than anything else - either material is sufficient on these items. On a part this small, the cost difference is within a buck or two. Technically the 7075 is stronger, but also heavier. I choose to use 6061 because the 7075 is not needed - the strength is in the design(several thousand mounts sold and 12 +/- bent - way less than 1% failure rate). I do encourage you to try whatever you like, but perhaps you can reserve judgement on which one you like better until after you try both. :)

Hey Mike, nice to see you're optimistic about my product, kinda contradicting yourself don't you think, never tried my mount but you're certain about it's design & durability.. It's kinda harsh to compare my product with a mount that is cast not machined & massed produced in China..Maybe you should buy one of my mounts & use it maybe then you'll see the engineering behind it, maybe you'll like it . Oh by the way, Linerv from RCTECH is wondering why you're denying him to join your message board, he wants to point out his concerns regarding his bent/twisted 808 mount he bought from you..

Originally Posted by rootar

i hate the one screw mounts, i just dont trust them... and most will need replaced in one season due to the slop. You want a light weight easy to work on on buggy take a look at my 808 you remove 4 screws and loose the two motor screw a half turn, and cut one zip tie on the rx and bingo you have just stripped the entire car's electronics, dont unplug anything just comes right off.....in less than minute, makes its SOOO easy to clean between rounds.

Hi Rootar, I'm Brandon from Elite RC, I don't blame you for feeling the way you do about Losi mounts, I know you might think my mounts are similar but it's designed to lock in place like a pressure cam lock, and have no play whatsoever, even through time, I had sponsored drivers use my product with zero issues, they even claim it to be the best mount ever.. I mean everyone has there own opinion, if you're happy with your setup then stick with it.
Just keep this in mind, don't knock it till you try it