I just threw up in my mouth a little.....

[SunnyHouTX]

I had to stare at josh's avatar for a few seconds to get THAT (whatever THAT is) out of my mind LOL

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

The 90 deg v6 they conjoured up back in the day by lopping off the last pair of cylinders of a 350?

... You will see why the fords last longer. Ford just make a better truck. But gm have the vette, so we are even... wait a minute, no.

The 4.3L V6 was the chopped down 350 and was in the S10 pickups iirc. Maybe the 3.8L was from a 305?

Originally Posted by FG101C

Hell yeah, I'm going to win that bid. I'll name it 2Wicked II, go to pep boys and get a few sweet option parts to finish it off.

I see what you did there. Looking forward to the 2WII build thread ;)


That thing is truely an abomination. Worst sheetmetal work i've ever seen. What craphole town must you live in to get looks of admoration driving around in that thing?

[Finnster]

Was just over int he UK and had a brand new Ford Kuga as a rental. Awesome car, and the turbo diesel/6spd it had in it was really ncie to drive, plus it got great gas milage. Too bad they aren't avail inthe states.

Saw a ton of Fords in the UK, and they all looked like quality vehicles. I know the Mondeo has a good rep. Nice to see an American car and American engineering you can be proud of. Ford's profits has been rewarded nicely too.

Originally Posted by lincpimp

God bless you, abundantly...

I actually think he improved garbage motors favorite trailer park ferrari, the craparo. I can imagine thanks to his work it will squeak less, have much reduced cowl shake, and pull some tang like a hunchback at a hawaiian tropic contest...

Seeing as this car was originally red, and that he used silver spray paint to paint it, the new finish should easily outlast the factory gm crapola paint. I have seen soooo many of these "beauties" in inferno red peeling it is not even funny anymore. Plus you have about 7 different materials the exterior body panels are made of, so the paint ages differently on all of them, making the car look even worse (is that possible?)

Sorry if I offend any GM fanboys, but honestly, these camaros were piles of crap, and only bearable with the ls1 motor. LT1 with the distributor cap under the water pump, now that is marketing genius at its best. "Lets hide the high wear pelectrical arts behind something that WILL leak coolant... That way we can sell 2 parts when one craps out." Only bested by the "tuned port" turd motor from the 86 vette, which could be handily outrun by a dodge pickup with a 318. When a small block dodge pickup outrunns you it is time to part your gov't motors ride...

Plus these things are ugly stock, looks like a door stop with extra plastic parts. Makes the 80-90s gen whatever squeaky box 'maro look good. Or the potent 305 fireturd trashcan, that car was a looker compared to the later f body. Now that I have fully offended all of the nightrider fans (don't hassel the hoff) I will step down from my soapbox and await the always orignal "ford sucks, and "found on road dead" comments...

Oh yeah, if this car was in the street by my house I would do the right thing and light it on fire.

Please don't hold back tell us what you really think!

I dare the Chevy fan boys to say anything, cause what American Auto maker didn't need any help from the tax payer?

Hmmm lets see, oh yeah it was Ford! They were selling cars and trucks.

Maybe the high bidder on this is Obama's car czar who wants to add it to a Chevy museum and show what was possible with a Chevy product. Why all you need is just a little imagination, a hot glue gun and sheet metal for duct work from Home Depot.

[nitrostarter]

Originally Posted by 76Bentley

I dare the Chevy fan boys to say anything, cause what American Auto maker didn't need any help from the tax payer?

Hmmm lets see, oh yeah it was Ford! They were selling cars and trucks.

Maybe the high bidder on this is Obama's car czar who wants to add it to a Chevy museum and show what was possible with a Chevy product. Why all you need is just a little imagination, a hot glue gun and sheet metal for duct work from Home Depot.

Just for that reason, I'm looking at a 2010 Ford F-150...

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by 76Bentley

Please don't hold back tell us what you really think!

I dare the Chevy fan boys to say anything, cause what American Auto maker didn't need any help from the tax payer?

Hmmm lets see, oh yeah it was Ford! They were selling cars and trucks.

Maybe the high bidder on this is Obama's car czar who wants to add it to a Chevy museum and show what was possible with a Chevy product. Why all you need is just a little imagination, a hot glue gun and sheet metal for duct work from Home Depot.

In all fairness, Ford didn't need money as they were in a worse position a few years earlier, brought back Bill Ford, and he helped restructure all their debt back when there was a functioning credit market. Had they not been fortunate in their timing, they would have likely needed gov't assisted funding at that time too.


More importantly IMO, was Ford recognized there was a problem on their own and actually tried to fix it and start making quality and fashionable cars with a more streamlined business plan. GM's bloated bureaucracy just blundered on making midgrade trucks and chitty cars they could only sell under employee pricing schemes at marginal profit hoping the days of $.99 gas and big SUVs would somehow comeback. I dont hate GM, they were a great American company at one time, but I don't see myself buying one any time soon because they still suck.

IDK WTF Chrysler is doing. Flaming piles of crap if there ever was one. The gov't has made worse investments imo, but hard to think of one right now...

[What's_nitro?]

Originally Posted by Semi Pro

just remember that Mitsubishi's NA 3.0L v6 only made 30 more hp with .8 less litters and weighed 50 less pounds back when gm thought that the 3800 was the shit

The Mitsubishi is aluminum right? Those Asian cars tend to have a higher compression ratio, too. I'll be that's where the 30hp comes from. The GM 3800 is a cast-iron block, and runs (I think) an 8.5:1 compression ratio. I get 25MPG on the highway. Not too shabby...

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by 76Bentley

Please don't hold back tell us what you really think!

I dare the Chevy fan boys to say anything, cause what American Auto maker didn't need any help from the tax payer?

Hmmm lets see, oh yeah it was Ford! They were selling cars and trucks.

Maybe the high bidder on this is Obama's car czar who wants to add it to a Chevy museum and show what was possible with a Chevy product. Why all you need is just a little imagination, a hot glue gun and sheet metal for duct work from Home Depot.

HA, I have always had issues with GM products, the designs just seem to be anti-linc.... Plus they just do not seem to last as well as ford products do, at least in my experience.

Ford trucks seem to sell well and I have driven all of the available stuff. The ford always seems tighter built or rides better.

I have seen some issues with the superduty trucks and the deisel engines. The old 7.3 was a great motor and I know of some that have 300k miles and have never had any sort of service. The 6.0 and some of the 6.4 motors have issues, and that sucks. So not everything ford is great, but all of it is better than GM's best attempts. See "corvette interior" for an example of the greatest achievements.

Originally Posted by nitrostarter

Just for that reason, I'm looking at a 2010 Ford F-150...

Not sure how the latest gen of f-150s are, but my 02 model has 190k miles and still runs great. Still stock suspension and just changed the shocks. No issues with the truck.

[simplechamp]

I like how his solution to fixing the cracked dash is to just cover it up with a dash cover, and his solution to fixing the torn seats... you guessed it, cover it up with seat covers.

Anything can easily be fixed by covering it with something else.

[Bondonutz]

What a Shiz box, homey was tripping on purple micro-dots when he got the idea to do that ?

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by simplechamp

Anything can easily be fixed by covering it with something else.

Sounds like Indian food...

You are 100% right and I am sure this guy thinks his gangsta azz custom ride is the nizzle fo-shizzle. I am sure he has no idea what a huge pile o-rcrap it is. Some people just do not have the standards most of us here have, take Harold for example, he just loves dudes.

[nitrostarter]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Not sure how the latest gen of f-150s are, but my 02 model has 190k miles and still runs great. Still stock suspension and just changed the shocks. No issues with the truck.

Still have the Lightning?

[E-Revonut]

Originally Posted by nitrostarter

Just for that reason, I'm looking at a 2010 Ford F-150...

I just got rid of an '04 F-150, great truck! Drove it for three years with very minimal service. Only traded it in because I needed a little better gas mileage and wanted something different, I went with an '07 Explorer Sport Trac. I traded in an '02 Ram for the F-150, the Ram looked great but that was all it had. Had to get a new motor installed at 58K, dealer blamed it on the bosch spark plugs, whatever, I learned my lesson and will stick with Ford

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by nitrostarter

Still have the Lightning?

Nah, sold it a few months back. A buddy made me an offer I could not refuse.

Originally Posted by Finnster

In all fairness, Ford didn't need money as they were in a worse position a few years earlier, brought back Bill Ford, and he helped restructure all their debt back when there was a functioning credit market. Had they not been fortunate in their timing, they would have likely needed gov't assisted funding at that time too.


More importantly IMO, was Ford recognized there was a problem on their own and actually tried to fix it and start making quality and fashionable cars with a more streamlined business plan. GM's bloated bureaucracy just blundered on making midgrade trucks and chitty cars they could only sell under employee pricing schemes at marginal profit hoping the days of $.99 gas and big SUVs would somehow comeback. I dont hate GM, they were a great American company at one time, but I don't see myself buying one any time soon because they still suck.

IDK WTF Chrysler is doing. Flaming piles of crap if there ever was one. The gov't has made worse investments imo, but hard to think of one right now...

Finn,
You are right that Ford was in a bad spot, but I don't think it was to the extent that GM was and is in. And for me, this is just my opinion, Ford did what they needed to do. They sold off interests in Rover, Jaguar, and Volvo, as well as narrowing their focus to make cars over the years. They made tough decisions, I hated to see them close the F-150 plant in Norfolk VA back in 2007, but they had to do so to be responsible for the long term viability of the company. It doesn't seem like GM is, for instance they still have GMAC, both the credit and mortgage divisions, why not sell them?

Your are right on the timing, credit market then as you pointed out did help. You are on the money that they brought on Bill Ford and revamped their line up.

So I guess for me, considering Ford had their biggest loss ever in 2006 and still pulled it out without taxpayer money is why I get a case of the a$$ over GM being under the government. If Ford did it and made the hard decisions, why isn't the same expected of GM? (<----This is a rhetorical question....everyone has their opinions, not trying to start a political debate)