Something that's been picking at my brains...

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by rawfuls

Gotcha, makes sense.

What are these "square head screws"?

Simple. Instead of using an allen type of slot in screw heads quality carpenters have been using square heads for many years now. I have never seen them used for anything other than carpentry, but they are a very solid choice for building. Much easier to deal with and give you a solid driving experience for locking in any project. Most cabinet makers use them for hidden attachments because they are easy to drive blind. The tool head slips in easily and dose not slip or strip.

[_paralyzed_]

umm, they're square

[JERRY2KONE]

Funny. Your the man Harold. I should have thought of doing that when I posted. That should clear up any confusion for the square drive screw. What about showing the rest of them as well. Take us to school young man.

OK here is an allen head capscrew.

[_paralyzed_]

google images, for all your giving rawfuls crap needs

[JERRY2KONE]

Here is a look at some Torx head screws

[JERRY2KONE]

The three images provided easily show why no one uses straight slot screws any longer. I would imagine that they will still be around for a long time to come, but I will not be using them on anything that I build simply because they are not worth the time put in to messing with them. Any one of these comparisons would work much better and have less chance of being damaged while driving them in or out of your work. The allen head is probably the most commonly used of the three, but I would think the other two would strip less and give you more use of torque holding power.

[bruce750i]

Yeah, we can machine better screw heads now. R/c guys in the 1700's had no way to drive screws at 10,000 rpm, let alone file a five point hole in a screw head.

Also In a pinch Home Depot only offers m4's in Phillips or Flat head:)

If I had a dollar for every time I stabbed my hands or fingers with a flat head screwdriver I would be a rich man. I hate the flat head screws. I like the flat head screwdrivers though. One of the most useful tools in the garage just useless as a screwdriver.

My favorite is hex screws. I refuse to own a RC that doesn't have hex hardware. My XTM Rail came with Philips hardware and that has all been changed now. All my ohter RCs have hex hardware as standard fittment.

[Shimmy]

I too cringe when I have to use flatheads or even Phillips.

A big thing I like about allens is that no pressure is needed to use them.
Although a decent fitting flathead shouldn't need much either.

I get why Phillips might be better than flatheads in some areas but I hate them just as much, they look tacky, need more pressure, can be easy to strip and just a general PITA.

Square or Torx would be nicer still I think, should be even harder to strip (even with low quality tools).

I spose for flatheads and Phillips, a lot of people will most likely have 2 or 3 drivers, and it's possible to use these 3 for almost all screws.
Compare that to allens where there are a lot more needed, and that's only for one measuring system.

[rawfuls]

I think somebody needs to invent triangle screws..
Just to complete the cycle.

I've never seen those square screws...ever.
They look...odd..

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by Shimmy

I too cringe when I have to use flatheads or even Phillips.

A big thing I like about allens is that no pressure is needed to use them.
Although a decent fitting flathead shouldn't need much either.

I get why Phillips might be better than flatheads in some areas but I hate them just as much, they look tacky, need more pressure, can be easy to strip and just a general PITA.

Square or Torx would be nicer still I think, should be even harder to strip (even with low quality tools).

I spose for flatheads and Phillips, a lot of people will most likely have 2 or 3 drivers, and it's possible to use these 3 for almost all screws.
Compare that to allens where there are a lot more needed, and that's only for one measuring system.

generally speaking I have all Maxx type trucks in my collection, which use all 1.5mm, 2mm, 3mm & 4mm screws even with grub screws, and all of the hop-ups and mods I have done, so that being said I use four different sizes of allen tools and that is it. Sure I have a full set of metric, and sae racing allen tools, but rarely ever use most of them. Phillips strip much too easy and are just not worth the hassle. I would think that the Torx screw would be the best for our hobby, just because of the none issue with the strip factor. The only problem I have had with Torx is breaking the tools when using too much twisting force. I have yet to strip one. I noticed that even two or three of the deck screw suppliers are now using Torx heads for their higher grade screws.

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by rawfuls

I think somebody needs to invent triangle screws..
Just to complete the cycle.

I've never seen those square screws...ever.
They look...odd..

Go for it. Triagle would work well I think.

The sqaure screws have been around since at least the 60's or 70's and are mainly used by professional cabinet makers. I see them in other areas nowa days as well, but they are not very popular just because people don't appreciate that square look on their creations. Like I stated prior even cabinet makers use them mostly for hidden connections under countertops and in places not normally seen by most people.

[rawfuls]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

Go for it. Triagle would work well I think.

The sqaure screws have been around since at least the 60's or 70's and are mainly used by professional cabinet makers. I see them in other areas nowa days as well, but they are not very popular just because people don't appreciate that square look on their creations. Like I stated prior even cabinet makers use them mostly for hidden connections under countertops and in places not normally seen by most people.

Honestly, I actually am starting to kinda like the look.
I'm just a bit odd..

I don't know, industrial aesthetics appeal to me..

Which is why I bought lots and lots and lots and lots of black allen cap head screws.
Use them on all my projects!

Square head screws are commonly known as Robertson's named after the guy who invented them in 1909 http://www.robertsonscrew.com/ For some reason everyone knows Mr. Phillip but Mr. Robertson is the square head guy. They have been used in Canada for quite some time.

[bumsnogger]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

4 points of contact vs 2= superior product

I'd like to see torx hardware on r/c's

Hi.Torx fill up with crap when run in the dirt :(