Thank you mods

[Sower]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

You got it, only British people can get away with satire.



I have a gay employee, not really but we call him that

It is funny that people bring up their gay relations when discussing that topic. It all boils down to the fact that gay people have deep down desires to be accepted and be more "normal". And marriage is one of those things that most normal people do. (still funny that the institution of marrige is degrading with the high divorce rate.)

For me, there is a big difference between understanding and acceptance. I understand gay people, and why they are gay. I do not and will never accept them, or find their actions acceptable. I will not be mean or discriminate against gays, but I do not want their lifestyle to be in any way the norm. That is their cross to bear and will always be outcast to a certain degree. Just not natural (as BrianG said). Man, I sound conservative.

Holy crap . . . I totally agree with what linc just said . . .

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of course, abuse of any kind is unacceptable. But emotional abuse and people getting angry or getting their feelings hurt over a discussion is completely different. And I'm not saying we should can it all. It is about principles, thats why I said we should make divorce illegal. Maybe it would make people think twice before entering into such a commitment, and bring back meaning to the word marriage. As it is now marriage is a joke. There is a greater percentage of failed marriages than intact ones, that's fact. So back to my food for thought, why can straight people get married, cheat, get divorced over and over again while a gay can't get married once? Nothing is being saved or protected by banning certain marriages, it only serves to exclude certain human beings from doing what they want to do, and that is not fair.

[hoovhartid]

Sower,
Not tryin to start a fight here. If you were offended I apologise. I know words have meanings. Many times the same word has more than one. (which was my point)

I'm not here to judge you. Its my opinion that when phraises like "basic building block of our society", and "by natural law can only occur from a man and a woman." It just reminds my of my Catholic upbringing. I learned to stay "inline" through fear that if I didn't "God would punish me" or "I would go to hell". Religion has kept people making decisions based on fear. Much like our current government. Again, these are my opinions, not judgements against you or anyone else.

"The tax breaks and all that stuff go with marriage because of what that union provides to society. Doesn't that make sense? How can you say the two things are equal when they're not?" I dont even know where to start here. Who are you to decide that one marriage provides more to society than another? Thats closed-minded, presumptuous, and...the list goes on.

"Homosexual unions are not equal to heterosexual unions" based on what? other than your opinon.

Why/How is one better than the other?

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Originally Posted by Sower

The fact is that homosexual unions are not natural while heterosexual unions are.

I've seen dolphins, dogs and monkeys all have homosexual sex. Somebody should really tell them they are being unnatural!

just razzin' ya

As a black, gay, jew, I am 5 steps passed offended by this thread. This was to thank the mods, not bash how some amendment was voted on, or what the meaning of words are. This forum is not the venue for political discussion, drop it guys.... My opinion of the whole thing? so much for the separation of church and state... one of the founding principals of this nation... now drop it and get back to thanking the mods (and MIKE!!!) for a great site.

[Modding_out]

Originally Posted by DickyT

As a black, gay, jew,

What? I thought you were a fat white guy?



Just razzin ya man.

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and then silence............. thanks DickyT for getting us back on track

[Sower]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

of course, abuse of any kind is unacceptable. But emotional abuse and people getting angry or getting their feelings hurt over a discussion is completely different. And I'm not saying we should can it all. It is about principles, thats why I said we should make divorce illegal. Maybe it would make people think twice before entering into such a commitment, and bring back meaning to the word marriage. As it is now marriage is a joke. There is a greater percentage of failed marriages than intact ones, that's fact. So back to my food for thought, why can straight people get married, cheat, get divorced over and over again while a gay can't get married once? Nothing is being saved or protected by banning certain marriages, it only serves to exclude certain human beings from doing what they want to do, and that is not fair.

Well, first off I'm not getting my feelings hurt here if that's what you're implying. If I misread that then nevermind

And second - your question is two separate arguments. You're basically saying since some people (regardless of the number) screw up marriage then others should have a chance at it too. That logic assumes that marriage is only established if it is successful to the full extent. That's flawed logic. Marriage is the union of man and woman for procreation and to strengthen the marriage bond. It'a also a recognition of the marriage covenant and reflects God and the Holy Trinity. I know, I know, I am really stepping in it now! Maybe we should avoid the whole area on divorce and religion? I think that would be a good idea, don't you?

I'll try to answer your question straight (no pun inteded) out . . . the integrity of marriage is being saved by banning homosexual marriage as it's legalization puts them on the same level when they're not. Homosexuals cannot concieve a child naturally nor can they provide the opportunity to fully offer proper development of the child as nature intended. Yes, many married people screw it up, but they can continue to perfect something that no homosexual couple can. They can only imitate it to a certain degree.

Also, who is stopping them from doing anything they want to do? Other than gain the title of "marriage"? There are ways to handle the legal stuff, so why isn't that being done instead of calling it marriage?

[hoovhartid]

Originally Posted by DickyT

As a black, gay, jew, I am 5 steps passed offended by this thread. This was to thank the mods, not bash how some amendment was voted on, or what the meaning of words are. This forum is not the venue for political discussion, drop it guys.... My opinion of the whole thing? so much for the separation of church and state... one of the founding principals of this nation... now drop it and get back to thanking the mods (and MIKE!!!) for a great site.

You are right. This thread took a very bad turn. I too apperciate the mods and mike for giving us such a great resource for information.

No more political talk out of me. I was offended. I thought I could help someone to see the other side of an arguement, but I was wrong. I failed, and worse, I took away from the origional idea of this thread so I apologise.

The mods here are awesome. This forum is valuable to me. Thank you for all who work to allow those like me to learn here. I will do better to ignore the comments that do not apply to my hobby here.

[Sower]

Originally Posted by DickyT

As a black, gay, jew, I am 5 steps passed offended by this thread. This was to thank the mods, not bash how some amendment was voted on, or what the meaning of words are. This forum is not the venue for political discussion, drop it guys.... My opinion of the whole thing? so much for the separation of church and state... one of the founding principals of this nation... now drop it and get back to thanking the mods (and MIKE!!!) for a great site.

Sorry DickyT, my last comment was being written as you posted. If this is too much for this forum that's cool with me. If anyone wants to continue the discussion with me then start another thread or something.

By the way, I have no hard feelings for anyone regardless of their beliefs. I love everyone here (not in the biblical sense ) even if we don't agree. Take care - out.

[hoovhartid]

Originally Posted by Sower

I'll try to answer your question straight (no pun inteded)

That was funny!

I love you too man. no hard feelings here either.

Originally Posted by Modding_out

What? I thought you were a fat white guy?

I am a short, fat, married to a woman, white guy. I was just trying to steer this horrible derailed thread back on point. seems my attempts failed.

[Sower]

Originally Posted by hoovhartid

That was funny!

I love you too man. no hard feelings here either.

Right on. But by the way, I think I see where you're coming from. We just have to agree to disagree. No hard feelings here at all - we're all human and most of us have different opinions. It's what makes the world go 'round, right?

On a side note - I freaking love your screen name. When I was on the site I had to explain to my wife what it meant. Obviously she didn't laugh as hard as I did.

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oh you believe in god too. hmph. we should prolly just stick to talking about r/c!

[Sower]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

oh you believe in god too. hmph. we should prolly just stick to talking about r/c!

Good advice!

God bless! - just razzin ya bro!