Novak HV-Motor's???

[suicideneil]

Not HV then....

I agree though- the nothvmaxx was designed to fulfill a specifc purpose at the time it was released, that is a mild upgrade to the titans in the emaxx 3906. I wouldnt dream of complaining that it wasnt powerful enough for a 15lb truck, it clearly wasnt intended for that purpose. My gripe is that its an old system that needs replacing in order to compete with more modern setups, where as novak just did some minor tweaks and called it job done/ a 1/8 system, which it is probably better for since most buggies and truggies weigh less than MTs. Wouldnt like to put it side by side with a BL Edition Erevo or Savage Flux though...

[JThiessen]

I too hate the FORD -vs - Chevy -vs - Dodge arguements, because most argued with only opinions and very little facts. So Neil, here's my rebuttal!!

Fact- novak hvmaxx is not hv, its only 4s.
* What exactly is HV? Is the MMM HV? Not when compared to the 10S systems that are available. Thus this statement is opinion. I happen to share your opinion. .

Fact- its old as the emaxx 3906 almost (true)- past its prime and should have been replaced years ago (opinion); castle (prolly true)and tekin are way ahead of the game, as are losi and hobby city etc. (Debatable)

Fact- $270 is too much for what you get compared to the MMM systems (power and versatility). Again, this is an opinion. It may be true for the majority of us, but not necessarily for someone that lets say runs ROAR with anything EMAXX or lighter.

Fact - novak rely on the myth that sensored is best, when it clearly isnt anymore. If only Aveox were still into R/C then they would kick both novak and castles ass's (think sensored neus....).
Again, opinion. The "not anymore" part gives it a little bit more fact. They used to be the only plug and play system, with fewer than "average" glitching issues, now they are not. That doesn't mean one or the other is better. BTW, Aveox is still in business, but you'll likely have to pay a little more for the motors/controllers now as they are primarily a supplier for Commercial Aircraft brushless motors.

Fact- I've had both, and I prefer the MMM to the Novak- you just cant run a hvmaxx in anything heavier than a stock emaxx or erevo and expect decent topspeed or power. Well, thats what the majority of people here run! Wheelies are good upto about half throttle (if that), but I could only manage 20-25mph with sensible gearing to keep the temps in check. (I dont buy this (and I know you've said it before)- I've had three HV systems in Maxx's and Revo's and NEVER had an issue getting to 40 without overheating. And FWIW, I'd prefer to not have wheelies over 1/2 throttle.)
Its about time novak pulled their finger out and released a true 1/8 scale system. (100% TRUE! I also wish that there were 10 more suppliers of 1/8th systems, and I wish there were more RTR brushless rigs to purchase)

I would not argue that the Castle system is the best bang for the buck for most of us. But at 150-175 used, the HV system is a great buy for entry level users, and for some of us who dont want or need 60+ in every RC. The Castle system is still not 100% proven reliable (I think most of us still have our fingers crossed with our V3's!), now that the combos are out, and when mainstream starts buying the Revo brushless, we'll know a lot more in a couple months. I haven't heard anything about the Tekin, Hobbycity, or any others to indicate that they have released a proven reliable plug and play system - in fact what I've heard leads me to believe they all some work to do.

Neil, you hold a position of some "authority" here, and you need to understand that some readers take what you type at face value. The intent of what I said about opinion -vs- fact was not to say that your opinions are wrong. In fact, my opinions often agree with yours, but I know others may have a different perspective.

My personal choice is the Castle/Neu systems for most of my applications now. However, I thoroughly enjoyed the power and use of the Novaks while I was getting my feet wet in Brushless.

I agree with Brian and the others in that Novaks ESC appears to be the weak link in the system. They had an opportunity to work on that with their "Pro" release, but I think they must have viewed going to 6S as too risky at that time, especially given their "relationship" with ROAR (maybe not without warrant - wonder how much V1 and V2 hit Castle's bottom line??).

[tedo]

Man, I like my 6.5HV. I must be the only one...

I RACE on 4s and it's perfect.

Have it geared for around 37mph. I don't need anything faster at the track. I have had it in my revo since the beginning of the summer and have never had it thermal. I get great run-times and cool temps. My truck weighs 9lbs with lipos. I have been racing nitro tuggies and nitro revos and have never had a problem being competitive.

Sorry, I had to weigh in as a positive user with the HV system.

[SpEEdyBL]

You are not the only one ;)

I run my HV7.5 with my MMM esc and it runs great on 4s and 5s for mid 30s to low 40s. I do admit that inconsistant startups can be a bit irritating. I've never had a sensorless combo that stands up to sensored in that respect. Even if sensorless starts up as well as sensored 90% of the time, the other 10% could still be 3-4 times during a run.

Like many would say, a neu motor is probably better many circumstances. Novak motors are a little too rpm based for my liking and are touchy on the gearing. But when power is not the demand there are certain features, such as its light weight, predictable power, solder tabs, and and size that may be better than neu in certain applications.

[suicideneil]

I too hate the FORD -vs - Chevy -vs - Dodge arguements, because most argued with only opinions and very little facts. So Neil, here's my rebuttal!! Bring it on!

Fact- novak hvmaxx is not hv, its only 4s.
* What exactly is HV? Is the MMM HV? Not when compared to the 10S systems that are available. Thus this statement is opinion. I happen to share your opinion. .Good good.

Fact- its old as the emaxx 3906 almost (true)- past its prime and should have been replaced years ago (opinion); castle (prolly true)Definately true Novaktwo has stated that they just have too many projects on the boil at once- a 6s system is due soon hopefully.and tekin are way ahead of the game, as are losi and hobby city etc. (Debatable)Well, the Tekin is untested yet, but I dont doubt it will perform well, The Losi hasnt had too many positive reviews, but then again it appears to just be a re-badged chinese item (speculation). HobbyCity esc is being tested by a few members as we speak, I look forward to more results.
Fact- $270 is too much for what you get compared to the MMM systems (power and versatility). Again, this is an opinion. It may be true for the majority of us, but not necessarily for someone that lets say runs ROAR with anything EMAXX or lighter. Roar sucks though True, if a newbie wants an entry level system the hvmaxx is good, but the MMM cant be setup as an entry level system with some simple programming tweaks and a suitable motor (9L on 4s would be very close to a hvmaxx), but its the versatility thing again- you cant go higher voltage and lower kv etc etc with the hvmaxx, if you want more power or speed after a little while you dont have too much choice apart from a hotter hvmaxx motor (if you arent running the 4.5 already), or selling the whole system to get something bigger and more powerful.

Fact - novak rely on the myth that sensored is best, when it clearly isnt anymore. If only Aveox were still into R/C then they would kick both novak and castles ass's (think sensored neus....).
Again, opinion. The "not anymore" part gives it a little bit more fact. They used to be the only plug and play system, with fewer than "average" glitching issues, now they are not. That doesn't mean one or the other is better. Patrick from Castle would say other wise- there should be a write up in the Castle section where he talks about why sensorless is better than sensored in most cases, worth having a look for. BTW, Aveox is still in business, but you'll likely have to pay a little more for the motors/controllers now as they are primarily a supplier for Commercial Aircraft brushless motors. I know- their website is useless now, there is zero info on there about anything r/c related, you have to contact them if you want to ask about anything- ebay is your best bet for Aveox motors, Lutach has a few and loves them, but their r/c systems have been extinct for a long long time saddly.
Fact- I've had both, and I prefer the MMM to the Novak- you just cant run a hvmaxx in anything heavier than a stock emaxx or erevo and expect decent topspeed or power. Well, thats what the majority of people here run! Wheelies are good upto about half throttle (if that), but I could only manage 20-25mph with sensible gearing to keep the temps in check. (I dont buy this (and I know you've said it before)- I've had three HV systems in Maxx's and Revo's and NEVER had an issue getting to 40 without overheating. And FWIW, I'd prefer to not have wheelies over 1/2 throttle.)

Wheelies past half throttle can be annoying, unless you have a 6" wheelie bar like me Trust me though, I have plenty of videos of my old TXT-1 and the Gmaxx in its early days running the hvmaxx hv4400 motor and the 6.5 motor; according to BrianG's calculator, I really was only doing about 25mph at best, based on the gear ratios and tire diameters etc. If I geared taller (~stock gearing for the emaxx 3906), the esc and motor got rather hot, and the current draw killed an expensive nimh pack during testing- speed decreased however since the motor couldnt pull the gearing, nor could it really accelerate properly as the batteries cried for mercy, the video is just sad to watch.

Its about time novak pulled their finger out and released a true 1/8 scale system. (100% TRUE! I also wish that there were 10 more suppliers of 1/8th systems, and I wish there were more RTR brushless rigs to purchase)Ditto- the future is bright for BL.