Traxxas VXL made by Feigao

[TexasSP]

Agree comletely, although there is now a handful of geniuses on the traxxas board lauding the single VXL systems in there e-maxx.

As silly as it is, it is happening.

[Arct1k]

But I'll just take that as an apology...

[triggeraa]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

Agree comletely, although there is now a handful of geniuses on the traxxas board lauding the single VXL systems in there e-maxx.

As silly as it is, it is happening.

It's also working very well for them for their intended purpose. There is also more than a handfull of geniuses trying to slap together boat and airplane components to get some high speed. By reading those threads...it doesn't seem to be working.

[TexasSP]

Works good until they actually do something besides street runs and drive in higher than 70 degree temps.

[Takedown]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

If you are trying to say that the velineon motor is a monster, then you need to pick up a s can feiago, like a 6 or 7 turn. Those bad boys can pull at least 120 amps when loaded right. The traxxas motor is good for 2wd, but is too small for a 4wd vehicle.

You should seriously reconcider what you just said... Ive ran the velineon motor on 4s lipo in an e-maxx and it was crazy! The temps were average (around 175 degrees) but it was extremely powerful for a 540 size motor.

[lincpimp]

Seriously dude.

I have tested the velineon motor and was not impressed. Have you tested the motor and a feigao 12s in the same vehicle with all of the other variables the same? I have, and despite the lower kv rating, the 12s could pull higher gearing and run cooler. That makes it better than the traxxas motor.

Next time you read one of my posts or threads keep in mind that I am not talking out of my ass. I do consider what I say, and only write what I deem important. This forum is designed to help all of us make descisions on what we are going to run in any specific application. Other, non validated info just serves to confuse less experienced members who are looking to this forum to educate them.

I read this forum for about 6months, from the oldest thread to the current ones. I read all of the jokes, saw all of the anteater costume pics, and had a good laugh. But I also learned a bunch about brushless, and the vehicles as well.

I can safely say that your use of the traxxas motor in an emaxx was not optimum. You say it worked, I am sure the wheels turned and the truck moved. How long did it run on a specific mah battery? Temps, both of all of the equipment and the ambient temp? Gearing, top speed, ground type, etc? Don't just throw out how well it worked before you tell us it was geared for 20mph and it was 40f outside. Or something like that.

A smaller motor has to make up for lack of torque with more rpms. This is obvious to most here. Problem with the traxxas motor is that it is not effecient enough to run at high speeds without producing more heat. I can put a 7xl in an emaxx, gear it for 80 and it will do it, but will get hot and most likely shorten the life of everything involved. I am sure that a smaller, very well made motor, like a 1506 neu could be used at near its rpm limit (with proper gearing) to motivate a heavy vehicle. But it will not be as good as a larger motor with more torque. That motor will also be more forgiving of less than optimum gearing and other variables.

Also keep in mind that most of us here try things out and post our findings. I have at least 50 different motors, and 30 or so vehicles that I can try things out in. Look at my threads, I have a variety of different vehicles with a bunch of differnt approaches to getting the job done. I tried an outrunner direct to diff, as there did not be too much info about that. Sike then one upped me and made a revo work that way. Metalman tried a mt2 with an outrunner, but with mech brakes. The Sike tried an outrunner with a gearbox in a new emaxx. All of this is very infofmative and helpful. Randomly throwng out shit like my tiny motor is super powerful or other crap like that is not helpful, and irrelavent.

[Takedown]

Im not going to try and pick a fight but its all personal preference here... I for one dont like feigao because of the fact that Ive always had issues with thier motors. If the velineon is infact made by feigao well then IMO its a great accomplishment for feigao/traxxas. And again im not trying to start anything but i'd love to see that Feigao 12s run an E-maxx on 4s without issues. I would heat up faster than you can say feigao... BTW lincpimp I really dont want to get on your bad side so dont take this personally but all this is just my personal opinion.

[Arct1k]

I see you're back to an IF again... Not sure why a maufacturer would wish to lie...

Personally I've never tried one but Linc seems to have motors, cars, escs and batteries coming out of every orifice so I do listen to what he says...

[johnrobholmes]

Not really a surprise to me. I am still trying to find where Castle got their motors from. I think I may have found them, but the Io on my test motors seem a bit higher than the Castle ones. I haven't taken them apart to measure the internals yet though, so it might have more wire.

[Mister-T]

It's seem that people forget that the true limit of a system is the power supply, the battery.
As long as you can supply the power to the motor you can virtually move anything ...
Obviously the motor will cock itself if you overload it.

Did you ever noticed the CC rate there motor based on rpm ( no 3S lipo with 7700kv) and not on surge current/ limit of the coil ?

Traxxas choice prove that they aren't new in the domain... the VXL is just perfect fit in 1/10 Traxxas buggy, but doesn't work as well in other situation.

[Mister-T]

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

Not really a surprise to me. I am still trying to find where Castle got their motors from. I think I may have found them, but the Io on my test motors seem a bit higher than the Castle ones. I haven't taken them apart to measure the internals yet though, so it might have more wire.

Let me (us) know if you find out, I have already made a post about this, I was guessing they might be made by the same factory that do the KB45XL or Tekin motor ? But there is no name, no website :/ http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10640
Don't worry about the different Io, Castle probably do have asked for different wire gauge and quality to fit there specs

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Arct1k

I see you're back to an IF again... Not sure why a maufacturer would wish to lie...

Personally I've never tried one but Linc seems to have motors, cars, escs and batteries coming out of every orifice so I do listen to what he says...

I do have too much stuff, but I almost prefer to find my own favorites, but always base my choices on others experience.

All I can say is that I tried a brand new vxl rustler, ran it on 3s 4000mah lipo, and a 6000mah 2s lipo. It ran hot on the 2s, like 160f on stock gearing. Nothing was wrong with the truck, no binding or other issues. On 3s it drained the pack in about 20mins. It was fast and powerful, but the motor was hot, and so was the esc. Battery temps did not get out of hand, so I did not think it was poor batteries causing the heat.

Same batteries went into my pede. It had a 12s feigao (3000kv), MM and 15/54 gearing. The 2s pack was slow, but about the same speed as the vxl, maybe a little faster. The overall gearing on the pede is higher than the vxl stock gearing. So the pede should be faster, even with the lower kv motor, and it was. On 3s 4000 lipo I could get 40-45mins runtime, and temps never went over 140 on the motor. I radared the truck at 46 mph. The rustler was not that fast.

Now I did not bother with changing the gearing. The velineon system did not run smoother than my castle/feigao system, so I sold the truck.

Main point for me is that the traxxas setup has no adjustability, 3s max input, and worse temps. The only benifit is that the motor is 3500kv. If castle had a 3500 kv motor I would see no benifit in the traxxas system. The MM is a far superior esc, and the feigao motor performs better than the traxxs did in my testing.

Heres a few shots inside the traxxas motor and a mm motor:





Note the difference in rotor construction and spacer usage. The cc motor is not a feiago, where the traxxas looks just like a feiago, save for the solder plate. Now the recently released sensored feigao motors have a solder plate.

After all of this we are debating a 10th scale 2wd motor. The motor is designed to be used that way. You will not get 40+mph out of this motor in a heavy vehicle, not going to happen. Tons of heat and lots of draw thru the esc.

Im not going to get into this

But I agree 100% with what linc has to say, he has rc cars flowing out his behind, look at his motor sales, he sells like bulk lmao! He had atleast 10 motors in one sale, same with lipos, he has tons of cars that all are in running condition, and im sure he uses all them, he for sure doesnt build shelf queens!

When he says what he does, he means it, I dont think he is biased at all, he just uses what works........

[snellemin]

LinC is a walking motor reference guide. Bought 4 motors from him not to long ago. Bor is not kidding with his Bulk offerings on motors.

[lincpimp]

Thanks guys, I have owned most of the lower priced motors. I have not owned a neu, or run one, but I do have quite a few aveox motors. I also like the hacker motors, the best of which appear to be the c50 series. They preform like lehner motors, and sell for a lot less used.

I am not biased, and have bought quite a few cheaper motors hoping that they would be good. Like the sv27 motor, tons of power, but it realy needs the water cooling it gets in the boat! However it seems to be you get what you pay for. I would like to try mega motors to see how they perform.

On a side note, does anyone know how similar the aveox motors are to neu motors? I have about 7 of them in various sizes and winds, and they seem to be very wel made, and put out plenty of power for their size. I know that steve neu worked for aveox, was he the designer? I am guessing his motors are comparable in design to the aveox, but are they better built? Just wondering...