Cc/neu Motors

[e-mike]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Well, I can tell you:

Materials: Source:

Bearings Japan (Koyo - CNC grade, 100K RPM rated)
Laminations M19 non-oriented magnetic steel Japan
Magnets Same as Neu - China
Shaft material Stainless - USA
Case T6061 - China


So sorry, no cheap a$$ materials here.

The CC/Neu motors will meet or exceed the performance of the Neu 1515.

good!!!i can't wait for the release of those beastmmm+cc motor =fun

[YogyBrushless]

u had to do it huh Patrick !! i just decided last week to slow down on RCs to pursue some investment ideas i have, and u had to come and tell me how good the combo that I’m waiting for is !! :/ definitely buying one

Yousef

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Well, I can tell you:

Materials: Source:

Bearings Japan (Koyo - CNC grade, 100K RPM rated)
Laminations M19 non-oriented magnetic steel Japan
Magnets Same as Neu - China
Shaft material Stainless - USA
Case T6061 - China


So sorry, no cheap a$$ materials here.

The CC/Neu motors will meet or exceed the performance of the Neu 1515.

Thank you Patrick for the info. Do you plan to make all of the various winds? I only ask because it would appear that your motors will sell for less than the neu motors, and if they are just as good, who would buy a neu?

I will say that the motors appear to be geared for the car market, so the heli and air market will still want the original neu motors. You did mention that the cc motors will be heavier and have more car-oriented specs in the case design.

I am guessing the price will be kept low due to the quantity produced and sold...

Now, how about some neu design based motors to replace the cm 36 motors, with 80-100k rpm potential, please!

[Metallover]

I'm sure with how cheap the cc/neus will be people will push them to/past their limits. The safe limit on a regular CC motor (or at least what should be advertized) is 40,000 and people have pushed them past 100,000 without problems.

All the materials look great, but I don't see anything on the windings. What are the specs on the windings? btw thanks for the info you posted earlier.

One more thing can anyone tell me the price of the motor alone?

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Metallover

I'm sure with how cheap the cc/neus will be people will push them to/past their limits. The safe limit on a regular CC motor (or at least what should be advertized) is 40,000 and people have pushed them past 100,000 without problems.

All the materials look great, but I don't see anything on the windings. What are the specs on the windings? btw thanks for the info you posted earlier.

One more thing can anyone tell me the price of the motor alone?

Laminations M19 non-oriented magnetic steel Japan

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by Metallover

The safe limit on a regular CC motor (or at least what should be advertized) is 40,000 and people have pushed them past 100,000 without problems.

Correction, the CM36 motors are rated for 65k RPM's.

[Metallover]

Just curious, what grade neodymium is used for the magnets? I have a n40 or something like that just to mess around with. Do you use n50?

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by Metallover

Just curious, what grade neodymium is used for the magnets? I have a n40 or something like that just to mess around with. Do you use n50?

No, we don't use N50 -- because they degrade with temperature -- they slowly lose their magnetism at high temps. In general, the higher the initial strength of the magnet, the worse they degrade over time with temperature.

We are using an N38UH magnet, that holds with applied temps of over 150C with no degradation.

Another company advertises N50 high temperature magnets --- don't be fooled. This is a complete lie. There is no such thing as N50SH or N50UH magnets. I've worked on several military motor projects where magnet strength was the most important factor, and cost was NO OBJECT. Even they couldn't get better magnets than around an N44SH, and that was at over $500.00 per magnet. So to think that a little Chinese motor company suddenly has an N50SH magnet when no one else in the world (including the US Army and major motor manufacturers) has one, is just silly. And after testing those magnets, I can now say for sure that it is UNTRUE. They are about N38 in strength, and less than SH grade for temperature (they degrade about 50% at 150C.)

And for the windings -- we are using US source polyimide (Kapton) insulated wire -- good for high temperature (rated to 200C.)

[Arct1k]

IIRC Patrick has mentioned a while back that the bearings on the CM36 were replaced a while back with versions that supported 100k...

Only 1 question - Is next week a realistic shipping of the combo?

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by Arct1k

IIRC Patrick has mentioned a while back that the bearings on the CM36 were replaced a while back with versions that supported 100k...

Only 1 question - Is next week a realistic shipping of the combo?

No, not next week. About 4 weeks I think. We just approved the final rotor design last week.

Will the motors be on sale alongside the combo for all of us that already have an MMM? Any chance of a price point? :)

[Arct1k]

Hmm you need to speak to your head of Marketing - You will have been advertising the combo as "now shipping" for 3 months before it actually ships...

I'm sure you were waiting for v2 MMM to be ready and I know you have to give lead time to printing companies but that it is sad. Hopefully they will be ready for the RCM bash at the end of Sept...

[E-Revonut]

I'm glad to hear that these motors will be of such high quality but my question is still when will we see these motors? I already have a monster but need a motor to run in my E-REVO with it

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by E-Revonut

I'm glad to hear that these motors will be of such high quality but my question is still when will we see these motors? I already have a monster but need a motor to run in my E-REVO with it

Again, for the second time. About 4 weeks.

[Arct1k]

In fairness Patrick I think the question was angled at are the combos and the motors on their own coming out at the same time...