Zeitgeist Addendum...

[zeropointbug]

It's called "Christ Consciousness" and many other 'prophets' possessed "it". I can't believe you are using the Bible dictionary, if you want BS, that is where to find it.

It's Rabbi Jesus Cunobeline is his name.

Jesus had a brother as well, Judas Khrestus, who had two sons, Simeon, and Jacob, Simeon had one son Eleazar, Simeon and Jacob were both crucified in 46 AD, while Eleazar crucified in 70 AD. What was the church trying to hide?

An interesting quote from a pope:

"How we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us" - Pope Leo X

[pinkpanda3310]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

It's called "Christ Consciousness" and many other 'prophets' possessed "it". I can't believe you are using the Bible dictionary, if you want BS, that is where to find it.

It's Rabbi Jesus Cunobeline is his name.

Jesus had a brother as well, Judas Khrestus, who had two sons, Simeon, and Jacob, Simeon had one son Eleazar, Simeon and Jacob were both crucified in 46 AD, while Eleazar crucified in 70 AD. What was the church trying to hide?

An interesting quote from a pope:

"How we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us" - Pope Leo X

They were trying to hide the fact that the messiah was 300 years earlier, as noted by the 'Dead Sea Scrolls'.

[zeropointbug]

Ahhh, I forgot about the dead sea scrolls, thanks for posting that panda.

So yes, it is not really known full well the history, but it is well known it didn't happen the way the church portrays it. The church must have used this either 'other' Jesus, and exploited him for use, and/or he never existed , and/or there was a Jesus that transcended to "Christ Consciousness", that so many other "Christs" have done supposedly achieved, but personally I think they were man like you and I, but have transcended the material world. There are too many 'coincidences' in each case, and maybe we can achieve this level of evolution; after all, we do only use a small fraction of our brain, and certain drugs have shown us what else are brains are capable of.

But, as it stands right now, we just don't know, once you know enough about history, human nature, war, certain individual's greed, human control over others (governement, whatever you want to call it). Once we achieve a certain level of knowledge (ie. scientific knowledge) and it is allowed to flourish without oppression and control, it won't matter, we will have everything we will ever need and more. Science now, particularly Quantum Physics opens the door to almost joining "Spiritual" aspects and "Material" or "Physics" aspect into one theory of the universe. Only time will tell.

[PBO]

Are you referring to string theory?

[zeropointbug]

No, not String Theory, Quantum Mechanics (Physics), Quantum meaning very very small; is what I meant to say. In particular, Entanglement is one of the greatest mysteries in physics; when two particles become entangled, they are inextricably linked, and a change to one is instantly reflected in the other, even if they are on opposite sides(whatever that means) of the universe.

The back cover of my favorite Quantum Physics book says: "Einstein was wrong: God DOES play dice with the Universe".

[PBO]

Hawking right?

Interesting concepts abound at the moment, they're just very hard to prove...which like religious beliefs makes for some colourful 'debates', especially when conducted in forums because it's almost impossible to prove or disprove the theories or beliefs

I'm not saying that entanglement has no basis in fact, I'm just saying that until recently E=MC2 was widely accepted as the holy grail corner stone principal...as we learn more the 'theories' if you like, become less robust...more fragile...or totally disproven. I think the jury is still out on so many principals, theories etc, the best position to be in - is an open minded one. This may be what you are saying also?

[zeropointbug]

Amir D. Aczel is the author.

The interesting thing about Quantum Mechanics is you can't disprove nor prove it really, it just is what it is. It is always expanding, it is an open science, always learning new "situations" as it were in the quantum world (and why can't it apply to the macro?). Of course it is not perfect, as we are not at the point where we can say we know the universe (far from it actually), as the more we know, the more we realize we don't know, until we come to a point, whenever that point may be. If you haven't already, read the book Entanglement, or similar, it will literally take your breath away.

I would not say Quantum Theory is liken to Religion, one is based on the understanding of events/experiments/observations, and the later is based on, well, nothing really, superstition at best.

Quantum Mechanics opens the door is what it does, I think it is at least pointing us in the right direction. Like you said, you just have to keep an open mind, which religion has the effect of 'mind box', living in a box in the mind, where this is what is, and that is the way it is.

And E does not equal MC^2... even when I was a child I never agreed with it; Nikola Tesla reaffirmed that for me later on. Many physicists now are leaning away from relativity and to the 'new' sciences, as now we are designing our technology on the theories of ancient Even Einstein himself at the end of his days became a sort of 'mystic', going back to the idea that there is 'something else', a god force as it were(along with other QM physicists). His colleagues and followers kept it going and the money changers (Morgans, Rothchilds, etc.) funded that type of science, as the direction Tesla was going with Zeropoint Energy was obviously unprofitable for them.

Also, I think TexasSP is misinterpreting the message I am trying to portray, maybe he now knows what I mean?