UE, Billy Trucks, FLM, RCM

[_paralyzed_]

^^+1. I'm working on a trade for two lst's, one with a brand new stock engine, and one with a brand new surefire .32. Nitro got me into r/c, but the first thing I will do if I get the lst's is sell the smelly oily stinky nitro engines and paraphernalia, and convert them to brushless! Join the revolution!

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

^^+1. I'm working on a trade for two lst's, one with a brand new stock engine, and one with a brand new surefire .32. Nitro got me into r/c, but the first thing I will do if I get the lst's is sell the smelly oily stinky nitro engines and paraphernalia, and convert them to brushless! Join the revolution!

Hey Harold that sounds kind of like a hate crime. A little predjudicial don't you think? We do not want any racial fighting going on in here between BL and nitro do we? Smelly, Dirty, Oily may be a little harsh.

[George16]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

Not to worry RiverMaxx once you get your first BL conversion running you will begin to wondeer why you even have nitro stuff laying around. Most within a year of starting BL begin to get rid of all their nitro stuff, but hang on to at least one just so they can lie to themselves about not abandoning teh nitro's all together. This is a much cleaner, and less labor intensive side. They call it the dark side because you get more sleep when all you have to do is plug em in and go for it.

That is so true .

Rivermaxx, just keep in mind that I started with one electric truck (old 3906 emaxx) and now have 3 brushless trucks. If I can convert the supermaxx and predator (i can if I really wanted to), everything will be brushless.

Less mess, tuning headache etc. etc.

[_paralyzed_]

can 7075 be machined with standard tools? what specifically should I be looking at for material? should I be worried now about safeguarding my intellectual properties?

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

can 7075 be machined with standard tools? what specifically should I be looking at for material? should I be worried now about safeguarding my intellectual properties?

Well if I were you I would start by just shooting an email to MonsterMike and asking to discuss things with him as a friend. He may be able to shed some light on the subject from an owner perspective which could help you get things off the ground. He at lease knows the ins and outs of doing this sort of thing. Plus he can give you advice on materials, machining, and even legal business.

[Rivermaxx]

You can ask sweet also he has brought back the strobe braces for ga bulks from years back and sold them too alot of guys on rc forums and ebay. I believe he got the plans and premission from the originator. He got with a cnc machinest and made a batch of them. It took a while for him too sell all of them but he eventually did.

[sweetride4me]

Yeah it is a time consuming process, but I saw a demand for an item and wanted to help people out. I didn't really make much if any money but I feel I made a quality product. I had most of them made out of 6061 t6 stock and a very small few (3 sets) made out of 7075 t6 stock. Machining 6061 and 7075 is similiar 7075 is harder and any good machinist will now how they "feel" different.

Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions... I'm more than happy to help. I can get you in touch with a good aluminum house with good stock and prices.

[Rivermaxx]

Who got the 7075 ones are they marked in some way?

[sweetride4me]

Kenny got them and I think he sold a set to Lito/or Eric (Duh Engineering) you can tell by weight.

[George16]

Originally Posted by sweetride4me

Kenny got them and I think he sold a set to Lito/or Eric (Duh Engineering) you can tell by weight.

I didn't get as et of 7075 . I wish I did.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

can 7075 be machined with standard tools? what specifically should I be looking at for material? should I be worried now about safeguarding my intellectual properties?

Typically 7075 machines better than 6061. Being harder the tools tend to gum up less with 7075 and you can machine faster. Typically we could machine 7075 30% faster than 6061 in my shop using the same end mills and tooling. It was easier for us to get a cleaner finish with 7075 as well.

I will say 6061 welds much easier than 7075. 7075 can be welded but the welder really needs to know what they are doing.........

[Chadworkz]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

I don't understand the "intellectual property" argument.

Intellectual Property is just that...property. If you have an original idea, then that idea belongs to you, because you thought of it first, before anyone else did, so it's yours. The legal side of this is a gray area, but it still can be fought, as long as you can prove that you had the idea first. Robib thought up some amazing designs, completely different than any other designs out there, so those designs do, in fact, belong to him, and him only.

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

If Robin had some fancy degree

Robin does have some fancy degrees, he is a trained engineer, versed in design, strength, the whole science behind his designs and why they are so good, and what it takes to make them so good.

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

or used some state of the art software to design and make UE products I can see where this would be valid.

He did use state of the art software to design, model, test, and develope his parts. He used AutoCad, SolidWorks, CAD/CAM, and many other applications to help him design his parts to be the strongest, most durable, lightest, best performing, and overall best and most radical parts ever created.

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

They're hunks of polished aluminum, and the technology isn't too great for a high school dropout. Anybody here could have come up with his ideas, he was just fortunate enough to do it first and make a pretty penny.

Robin's parts are far from just hunks of aluminum...he didn't just think of a design, draw it on paper, and then have a CNC machine mill it out...there was actual science and engineering involved in the design of his parts, science that less than 1% of the population even understands. And no, not everyone could have just come up with the designs he came up with, there is far more to it than that. Like I said, his parts aren't just shapes milled out of aluminum, they are designs that have been scientifically engineered to be the strongest, most durable, lightest, and highest performing of any ever created...his hi-impact designs are some of the most radical ever created, and have never been replicated, and probably never will. The man is crazy-smart, and gave us scientifically engineering, tested, and proven parts that will never be created by anyone else, unless he sells his designs.

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

If Robin were still making UE parts, then of course there would be ethical wrongdoings. I don't see any problem with supplying a product that people want. I refer you to 427 Shelby Cobra replicas. Nobody has a problem with anybody stealing Caroll Shelby's "intellectual property", Cobra's are no longer produced but there is still a demand so somebody stepped up and filled the void. This doesn't take away anything from actual Cobra's, it just gives the buying public what they want.

The Cobra replicas were not stolen from Carol, they were licensed and endorsed by him, and he gave the replicators permission to make them...and to this day, he still gets paid royalties for every single one produced. There used to be a manufacturer across town from me that built them from scratch, and Carol himself actually came down to check the shop and the cars out back in the late 80s/early 90s. Like I said, Carol Shelby endorsed those replicas, the design was not stolen, it was licensed to them.

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

I also don't understand how someone else making those parts takes away from Robin. He doesn't profit from astronomical e-bay sales. I don't get it.

The reason it would take away from Robin is simple...if a company started reproducing Robin's parts, but they just weren't as good as Robin's originals, when they broke, people would start a firestorm blaming Robin for making crappy parts, even though he didn't actualy produce the replicas...because they were his design, any problems with them would fall on Robin, and that is not something he wants to deal with.


I agree that Robin isn't handling the situation properly, but it's his business and his reputation, he can do with them what he pleases. Fact is, he made the best parts ever made, PERIOD...and we will never see anything like it ever again. Even if a company created their own designs that were just as good as UE designs, they would always get compared to UE, and people would always label them not as good as UE, simply because UE was first, and will always be the Holy Grail of RC parts.


Just my $0.02...

[TexasSP]

Wow, talk about beating a dead horse. You do realize this thread is 6 months old and the subject has been dropped?

[Chadworkz]

Yep, but I just now read it and wanted to add my $0.02.

[ClodMaxx]

lol....that's more like adding your 15 bucks.