I am wrong about MaxAmps.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Hmm, I wonder why too

Hey lincpimp, look what you started my friend . You made Jason have a melt down . I now have what I need to not buy a MA pack ever again.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by kulangflow

Sorry John, but it looks like Jason booted you and erased all your posts from NK because of your "hating".

I keep wanting to defend your good name there, but I don't want it to compromise my ability to get answers from them. I'm sure I would immediately be booted like you were.

I knew that this would happen as soon as I found out that Jason was the admin over there. Well, John, we all know who the better man is now! Looks like all questioning of maxamps product will be deleted. I guess that people are just going to have to find out the hard way about maxamps quality/honesty, I had to.

NOTE TO ANYONE NEW TO THIS FORUM, AND ALL MEMBERS IN GENERAL: DO NOT EXPECT ANY SORT OF RELIABLE BATTERY INFO AT THE NITRO KILLERS FORUM.

If you want some biased opinions be my guest and go over there. I know that quite a few members from here are on that forum too, and I wish them good luck.

I was going to sign up, but seeing this has made me change my mind. All John was aking for was a few graphs to prove maxamps claims. I guess that Jason could not bring himself to doctor up some graphs to suit his claims.

Who cares, we all know what forum to come to for the best advise and info about nitro to electric conversions!

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by lutach

Hey lincpimp, look what you started my friend . You made Jason have a melt down . I now have what I need to not buy a MA pack ever again.

Funny huh, I love stirring the pot. I posted in a thread that Jason had here a while back asking for some graphs, and he reported my posts to the Admin as trouble! Luckily Serum had been asking him for the same info! I can't believe Jason, he will eventually be the only member over there if he keeps this up.

I can't wait for larger scale electric to get more popular, and the mags have some battery shootouts! Can you imagine what will happen if they pit similar priced maxamps and enerland based packs together! Puff, puff, pass!

[lutach]

MA will be in deep trouble if something bad happens to anyone using their poor quality, misleading on spec lipos. One of my packs made me go over all my other ones (All of them). If I didn't check the pack and went out running, for sure I would be here telling you guys how my rc caught fire. If someone is good friends with the MA team, please and I'm dead F U C K I N G serious about this, tell them to take the low quality packs out of the market right away. This is how this hobby gets dangerous and I'm afraid of a little kid abuses his pack and gets hurt.

Sorry for the foul language, but this is real serious and they need to let everyone know ASAP.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by lutach

MA will be in deep trouble if something bad happens to anyone using their poor quality, misleading on spec lipos. One of my packs made me go over all my other ones (All of them). If I didn't check the pack and went out running, for sure I would be here telling you guys how my rc caught fire. If someone is good friends with the MA team, please and I'm dead F U C K I N G serious about this, tell them to take the low quality packs out of the market right away. This is how this hobby gets dangerous and I'm afraid of a little kid abuses his pack and gets hurt.

Sorry for the foul language, but this is real serious and they need to let everyone know ASAP.

Right there with you Lutach, last thing we need is electric rc to get a bad name from this kind or "rating war". I have had lipos pop and puff, but I am usually careful. We do not want anyone getting hurt, especially the younger rc enthusiasts!

[kulangflow]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

I can't wait for larger scale electric to get more popular, and the mags have some battery shootouts! Can you imagine what will happen if they pit similar priced maxamps and enerland based packs together! Puff, puff, pass!

While I would love to see a magazine do a legitimate honest battery shoot-out, would you ever expect the large$t battery adverti$er to lo$e a battle?

I'd like to see a third party test them all that isn't getting paid by any of the contenders.

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

NOTE TO ANYONE NEW TO THIS FORUM, AND ALL MEMBERS IN GENERAL: DO NOT EXPECT ANY SORT OF RELIABLE BATTERY INFO AT THE NITRO KILLERS FORUM.

Aww come on now! I try my best over there!

Seriously, there really should be impartial 3rd party testing done on all lipo packs to ensure customer safety and to help them pick the best pack for their application.

[kulangflow]

Hey Brian and anybody else, what would you think about using a fixed airplane prop on a bench to do the testing? I could do no throttle - half throttle - full throttle - half throttle - no throttle runs timed at 5 seconds each for 10 minutes or something like that.

Thoughts?

[Just go Play]

I hate to say this but I'm predicting that kulangflow is going to disappear from the NK forum shortly... Jason has backed himself into a corner that he cannot BS his way out of.

Kulangflow I think that last graph you posted perfectly shows why you are asking the questions that Jason does not want to answer. That pack is performing so far below specs no matter what excuses are used to justify the results its pathetic.

[johnrobholmes]

That will be my test for continuous load, prop and ESC.


My last deleted post there:

1. I have offered you my hard data. You say you would never trust any of my findings because I am a "hater". Fair enough. It is obvious that you will not back up any claims with data, you simply dismiss my findings with name calling.

2. Can you find batteries from CBP on my site? I implore you to back up your statement with fact. They are not the only person that imports elite cells. I used to carry vislero cells- a direct $$ interest. I found that they were inflating their specs so I let as many customers know as possible and stopped importing them. Thats right, I "badmouthed" a brand that I was currently selling.

3. I am just fine with maxamps being around for as long as possible. This is a free country and you guys have a lot that you could do for our market. The fact that you label any negative data as "claims" but present any positive claims as "truth" is rather saddening to me. It is called a self serving bias, and it does nothing to further our hobby.


So, I would ask for a discharge graph (or any data at all) again but I feel that my breath is wasted here. I am being civil, fair, and trying to promote a decent discussion about this. So far it looks like I am the only one getting direct responses from you in this thread, so why not answer my questions?

Jason's response was along the lines that I have no proof to my claims, even though I have based my "claims" on empirical data. I am sending an email to Austin right now, I feel that he should know the perspective of one business owner to another. Maybe he will be interested in my data.


Now I am IP blocked

[johnrobholmes]

Jason's statements taken from two posts. The truth is that their packs are better. The claims are the empirical data that I have offered (he is responding to data that I posted).

Now hopefully he will report back with the truth and if so you will see our packs on top...
I would never trust any findings or claims coming from you

[rschoi_75]

interesting debate.... Too bad no one from MA will step up with data (I hope that will change). I've read the threads at NK and Traxxas, and think you guys are being as fair as possible. I haven't read any claims from you guys that weren't backed by raw data.

Its not a good sign that Jason is being so defensive. Even if he can back up his claims, his attitude as a marketing manager is somewhat disappointing. Being passionate is one thing, but being defensive and getting into name calling is something I would not expect from the lead marketing manager of Maxamps. Its definitely not the right way to handle things.

[johnrobholmes]

I would really like to point out how well BrianG is handling this. He is doing a great job of presenting ideas with no emotional base, and trying to further our hobby along with 3rd party data. It is unfortunate that my findings are moot, because I have the resource and ability to add some data to this.

[Just go Play]

I agree it is very disappointing to see such childish behavior from someone in his position. However this seems to be the way that he deals with anyone that dares to suggest that his product is in anyway less then perfect or that any other product performs better.

And the thing that kills me is that this whole thing came about not because someone was bashing his product. I was because one of his repeat customers was having problems with their product in one of his rc's and had posted the results of testing that he had done to determine the problem.

So how does this company treat their customer? They call him a liar, claiming that the info he has posted is not truthful in some way. Do they offer to replace his sub par performing packs that he has? No, instead they offer to send him a bigger pack to test with so he can prove that their product will outperform a competitors. And it should be pretty obvious what will happen if his tests should show that the pack he is sent still does not perform as well as it should.

I can only say that if it was me I'd be pretty unhappy at being treated that way. I don't know about the state kulangflow lives in but I'm pretty sure where I live Jasons comments could be seen as defamatory... in any case I'm glad I am not one of their customers.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by BrianG

Aww come on now! I try my best over there!

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I am sure you do, but trying to reason with Jason is like trying to push water up a wall.