The Gulf Oil Nightmare

[redshift]

[JThiessen]

It really disgusts me to see people take advantage of tragic events to advance their political views and agendas.
You want to find facts on things - dont go to youtube videos. Do your own research and see what you can find. Look at what the CDC has to say, or OSHA. The chemical makeup of the COREXIT was NOT just released. If so, OSHA would not have an application requirement established - remember, they are a gov't agency, and it takes forever for them to publish anything! Everything from application rates, exposure limits, and how to respond are already addressed by OSHA, and the CDC.

[JERRY2KONE]

Unfortunately from what I have seen and read in the AP BP is not rushing on the cleanup with all of the great ideas shown on TV for collecting the oil for one simple reason. They hope to collect as much of the oil floating on the GUlf as possible in ways that will make it a recoverable substense so they can get some level of $$$$$ out of the oil and not lose it as a waste product. BP and the US Gov are hoping that they will be able to collect the oil from the surface of GUlf waters and get it into collection containers that can then be recycled into a refinery and turned into Gas or some other form of product that can be sold, so that this money can be used to cover the cost of the clean up. Not that this is the best or fastest means for getting this mess cleaned up, but it is understandable.

The other end of this is that cleaning it up prior to actually getting the leak stopped seems sensless. Otherwise they will be cleaning and recleaning the same areas over and over and over again, which will equate to cost over runs that are also counter productive.

[PBO]

Corexit 9500 MSDS

I think it's time they brought in the big guns...where's the ShamWow guy?

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by PBO

Corexit 9500 MSDS

I think it's time they brought in the big guns...where's the ShamWow guy?

lulz

ENVIRONMENTAL PRECAUTIONS :
Do not contaminate surface water.

[redshift]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

Unfortunately from what I have seen and read in the AP BP is not rushing on the cleanup with all of the great ideas shown on TV for collecting the oil for one simple reason. They hope to collect as much of the oil floating on the GUlf as possible in ways that will make it a recoverable substense so they can get some level of $$$$$ out of the oil and not lose it as a waste product. BP and the US Gov are hoping that they will be able to collect the oil from the surface of GUlf waters and get it into collection containers that can then be recycled into a refinery and turned into Gas or some other form of product that can be sold, so that this money can be used to cover the cost of the clean up. Not that this is the best or fastest means for getting this mess cleaned up, but it is understandable.

WHAT? *bangs head against wall several times, comes to, and asks again*

WHAT!?

That must be the most flawed, Twilight Zone logic I have EVER heard.

Jerry, please don't take this as a personal, but AP can blow it out their ass.
I haven't seen that particular piece but that is unmistakably the ESTABLISHMENT media making excuses for their slothlike response. That is total utter unadulterated crap.

Like BP needs to have a 'yard sale' to raise cleanup funds??? OMFG!
It's easier to "collect" oil that has spread over thousands of square miles?

I'm gonna withhold further comment on that.

JT, I posted YT video for the benefit of our shorter attention span readers, I know, what's the point. The info jibes with what's on the MSDS, I can't be expected to do all the research and I am sure some of the info floating around is incorrect. Overall that does not lessen the true nature of what is happening, on every level. Take everything with a grain of salt. Nitpicking does not change the situation. Thanks PBO for posting the data.

I wait with baited breath for OB's speech tonight, should be more hollow lip service no doubt.

[suicideneil]

Im hoping its better than his last one- to quote an indusrty insider whom works for oil exploration companies:

HAHAHA!

Obama does it again!

After a phone-call to the British Prime Minister in which Obama denied that he was endorsing "Anti British sentiment" with his comments about the BP oil spill, he's gone and compared the event to the f**king 9/11 attacks.

Now, to be fair, I do understand what he's really saying but the guy REALLY needs to to get himself a better speech writer.
He's either utterly ignorant of the offence that comments like that cause or he IS actually trying to promote anti-British sentiment in the USA.

I'm sure if British people, at the time, had compared the Piper Alpha disaster (where 170 people died on an oil rig run by an American company) to a terrorist attack lots of people in the USA might have taken offence.
Instead, we just got on with sorting out the problem without making a big political fuss.

What he said^.

Also worth remebering that "BP owns 65% of the Gulf of Mexico oil well that ruptured on April 20, while Anadarko owns 25%. Transocean owned the rig that sank after the well blowout." Blaming this all on Beyond Petroleum ( British Petroleum hasnt existed for years ) is a bit naive...

[JThiessen]

Originally Posted by PBO

Nearly every American I know or have conversed with will at some stage refer to the freedoms they enjoy (presumably when compared to less free societies) or the freedoms they have lost (like now) but almost without exception when I dig a little deeper, they know nothing of their 'freedom' & what they do or don't have...it seems like a rose coloured look over your shoulder that can't really be substantiated and has become an adjective to describe frustration

Ok, so I am going to post a Youtube vid...., but this one has a name behind the thoughts, that you can research, and develop an opinion on yourself. In his response to the first question, Dennis Prager hits the nail on the head in regards to a country loosing its identity, which is exaclty what you are referring to. I'm not endorsing him, the Rep. party, nor any of the rest of the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNUc8nuo7HI

ps....how do you post those vids Redshift? All I know how to do is add the link...

[redshift]

Under the view counter on YT vids, you press the 'embed' button, then copy and paste that as you would a normal URL.

I used to watch/ listen to Prager in the early 90s, before I decided I was neither Republican or Democrat. I agree with the first 3-4 minutes 1000%, absolutely. The rest as far as I'm concerned is party babble.

He is correct in saying we've lost what it means to be American, and I admit I fall short in many ways.

My fear is it is too late to matter.

[JERRY2KONE]

WHAT? *bangs head against wall several times, comes to, and asks again*

WHAT!?

That must be the most flawed, Twilight Zone logic I have EVER heard.

Jerry, please don't take this as a personal, but AP can blow it out their ass.
I haven't seen that particular piece but that is unmistakably the ESTABLISHMENT media making excuses for their slothlike response. That is total utter unadulterated crap.

Like BP needs to have a 'yard sale' to raise cleanup funds??? OMFG!
It's easier to "collect" oil that has spread over thousands of square miles?

I'm gonna withhold further comment on that.

Just to be clear RS I never said that I agree with their efforts or their plans on how to handle this issue. I was only sharing the main reason that they have not been more active about using others ideas for cleaning the oil up in the GUlf, and knowing BP I understand their position. There have been small slips by BP during this whole thing about what, why, & how they are dealing with this. Even the whole idea about stopping the leak has never really been about STOPPING the flow of oil, but coraling it so they can collect it and sell it. BP has no interest in stopping the oil flow coming from the well, but finding a new way of collecting the oil, which was the reason they drilled the well in the first place. BP is a money hungry company that will take whatever shortcut it can to keep from losing more money than they might have to, and maybe even coming out on top of this whole issue.

[redshift]

I know Jerry, just wanted to make it clear I was going after the posted piece, and not the poster..

The absurdity of that story still has me reeling.

Insanity.

[lutach]

I hope the Nuke idea doesn't happen in 2012.

[zeropointbug]

Originally Posted by redshift

WHAT? *bangs head against wall several times, comes to, and asks again*

WHAT!?

That must be the most flawed, Twilight Zone logic I have EVER heard.

Jerry, please don't take this as a personal, but AP can blow it out their ass.
I haven't seen that particular piece but that is unmistakably the ESTABLISHMENT media making excuses for their slothlike response. That is total utter unadulterated crap.

Like BP needs to have a 'yard sale' to raise cleanup funds??? OMFG!
It's easier to "collect" oil that has spread over thousands of square miles?

I'm gonna withhold further comment on that.

JT, I posted YT video for the benefit of our shorter attention span readers, I know, what's the point. The info jibes with what's on the MSDS, I can't be expected to do all the research and I am sure some of the info floating around is incorrect. Overall that does not lessen the true nature of what is happening, on every level. Take everything with a grain of salt. Nitpicking does not change the situation. Thanks PBO for posting the data.

I wait with baited breath for OB's speech tonight, should be more hollow lip service no doubt.

I don't think Jerry can have a unaffected mindset on these subjects anymore, he is old enough and 'set' in his ways for a significant amount of time for free logic to kick in.

[redshift]

We'll let Jerry determine that for himself.

I understand where you're coming from, you don't bring a bucket of sand to a four alarm fire. When addressing a problem of this variety it does help to remove the rose colored glasses IMO. Assume things are worse, and be prepared for the worst. That's my mentality and we will all differ, we're just simple damn humans, the whole lot of us.

And from the mainstream, so there will be no doubt as to the validity (sarcasm)

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

I don't think Jerry can have a unaffected mindset on these subjects anymore, he is old enough and 'set' in his ways for a significant amount of time for free logic to kick in.

I am not quite sure of exactly what your point is, but your sarcasm seems miss directed once again. Maybe you need to re-read through this entire thread to realize what everyones perspective on this disaster is?

First off I have stated from the start of this disaster that what was being shown as a terrible tragity was only just the begining, and that things were going to get much much worse before things find their way back to a normal state. What was perpitrated by BP leading up to the cause of this situation is at the very least neglegance, but some people are pointing fingers as if they are the only ones at fault in this. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

We all know that oil is the root of evil in our world today which scientists have been saying is causing our atmorphere to become weak and even poisonous to us. Glodal warming seems to be showing its ill effects more and more with every tank of gas being burned feeing noxious fumes into the very air we depend on for life. feeding the cause has some level of fault in this disaster at every level of the food chain. That means all of us. If we do not push for alternative power sources and force our Gov to make changes then we will all suffer the consiquences for looking the other way while these companies continue to put us in harms way. Stop passing the buck and take responsibility for your part in all of this. BP screwed up without a doubt, but they are in business because of our addiction and it will not stop until we change the way we live. The Gulf disaster is a raving sign of our future if we do not make some effort to move in a different direction.