speaking of hella expensive and audi: R8. wow in every way.

i agree - corvettes rock, and surprisingly insurance is cheaper than that of a mustang or camaro. at least, that was a year or so ago when i looked into it (GM discount and all :smile:).

i have to say my favorite GM cars out now are the new cadillac CTS and STS. they look wicked, have incredible performance, and cadillac has one of the highest customer service ratings in all the classes.

True, but I wouldn't be looking at a new vehicle either way. The S8 can be had in it's last iteration for $20k or less. That's the 2001 - 2003 model. The new S8 is about $100k but it also has the Lamborghini V10 under the hood. I'm not biased in any way here - really. I just don't see the American sedans living up to the German or even Japanese in many areas. And there's more to it for me than just performance numbers. For example, another car I would consider as my next ride would be the new Lexus IS350. Again - I just don't see anything from the US that is comparable to that and I'm trying. I would love to say there is, but there's not.

And yes, Vettes are great - I think the C6 is their best go at it yet too. But those are starting to get close to the $100k mark once you are looking at the Z06. And even if the performance is better in the Z06, I would probably still get the R8. Those are gorgeous inside and out!

Huuuuh???
 

Are you buying one of these Audi's or are you just dreaming out loud? Most people will never see vehicles in that price range in their liftime. Lexus, Infinity, Porche, Lamborgini. If you can aford any of these vehicles then why are you wasting your time on forums talking about it. Come back to Earth and deal with what most of us can really afford. Sure foreign made vehicles have some uniqure characteristics and pros that make them desirable to own, but the cost of owning one is rediculous. Purchasing one is only the begining of your nightmare. Between insurance and maintenance that is a half years sallery right there for most people. Do you know that very few people over here in Europe can not afford one wither. Most of the BMW's and the like are company owned vehicles, because the cost is out of reach even for the people who make them. European and Japanese cars are really not that much different than American cars. Every car maker out there has simlar vehicles to their competitors, and they all copy each others ideas. The money just goes into the pockets of the countries that are swallowing up the USA year after year. Once again quality is relaitive to price. If we Americans would stop trying to live above our means and focus on what is really important we would support our oun countries products while we still are able to do so:lol:. Spoiled rotten:whistle:.

You know, it would have been enough for me if you simply said you didn't agree with my statement that cars are just too fun to talk about :mdr:. Obviously you have some emotional investment here or you wouldn't be going hog wild on me. What that is, I'm not sure. My best guess is that you're reading into my posting something that's not there.

I'm a car nut and love talking about them. Do I plan on buying the $100k S8? No. Never said I did. I am however considering the 2001 S8 as I stated in my post. If you have a problem with one of the cars I've stated, that's great - give me some concrete info and I would love to hear it. But don't just start throwing venom at me like I insulted your mom or something. Why would you start cracking on me about "coming back down to earth" or "wasting our time on these forums"? I just stated a non threatening opinion about cars I like. If you disagree, tell me like an adult and we can both learn and grow. I don't know everything about cars and would love to hear more.

And about them all being the same - that's just intellectually dishonest. How can you even say that?

Feelings???
 

Sorry if I have hurt your feelings Sir:angel:. If you read my post closely I was not threatening you in any way:whistle:. My experiences are based on the fact that I have traveled all over the world for more than 30 years and I have driven so many vehicles that it would take hours to name them all. Yes there are dream cars that we would all love to own and drive on a daliy basis, but a car has four wheels and a motor. Outside of the basic creature comforts the rest is a form of vanity for the most part.

This thread started out about American made stuff with foreign parts in them (CC) in general, and being proud of our country to the point of buying only American made items as Linc so nicely put it. It has metamorphed into issues about Americans purchasing American products in general instead of buying foreign vehicles. The only one getting offended here seems to be you. This was not a discussion about dream cars, it is about the compitition between countries, namely their auto makers. I did not attack you personally, and do not wish to engage in any kind of personal dispute with you. But We can dispute the issue all night long if yo so like. Good luck with that.:lol: This is a friendly open forum and there is no need to get angry about anything here.

25% sounds good. I would take advantage of it, if it is cheaper than tower (though the MMM probably isn't coming out in March anyway). I've found CC to be somewhat misleading in their product advertising, so i'll just get it as cheap as I can get it since it's never as good as they say...the mamba max motor is pretty lame really, Traxxas beat them and did it cheaper too. BTW, an RC car is more than 4 wheels and a motor, usually they come with suspensions and ESCs and stuff too, you should get one, they are super fun to drive around..

You guys both have valid points, can't we all just get along?! (that was lame, I know.)

In any case, if you buy a used s8 it will most likely be one that is in the country, and for sale by either the current owner or a dealership. Both ways mean that the money stays in the country. A well maintained car for 20k is an ok purchase, for 100k you would have to be nut (or rich and very bored). Nothing against vw/audi, but they are no betterthan any other modern family car save for some specs, and some of their construction techniques are questionable (i do have to put these cars back together after they are smashed!)

I look at a simple design as one that will last and perform well. Overly complex designs that are poorly carried out (space shuttle) do not fair very well in the real world. The japanese make a decent product that is simple most of the time (they can't make an interior door handle to svae their lives though). Their materials are definately infersior to american made materials (steel especially).

In the used car market, maintanence is the most expensive running cost. That ismy main reason for american purchases, next to be a partiot (!). Look at the cost of replacement parts and you will see that even lincoln parts are about 1/2 the cost (average) than corolla parts (toyota parts are too expensive IMO). That is why my previous vehicle was a lincoln, not a lexus.

It all boils down to what you want, as our western society places too much importance on vehicle ownership. Can't be successful without a nice car right?!

Oh boy. How does this happen? Do I just read into it or what? Well, whatever it is, I saw those comments as being less than diplomatic . . . and yes - directed at me. If I'm wrong about your intentions then I'm sorry.

I thought at worst my comments would get people discussing specifics of what they see as pros and cons of different vehicles. I guess the bottom line is that I see big differences in some areas of the sedan class and act accordingly. Not because I want to be seen as "successful" but because I see value that's important to me. That's all.

I think I'll just step out on this one and wish you all luck with it. :yes:

Hey Sower, not trying to say that your vehicle choice is anything other than your vehicles choice. i was just making the comment that in the US cars are seen as status symbols and that often drives (pun!) people to buy the cars. Most people do not make informed choices, which is strange, considering that the car is often the second most expensive item a person will ever buy, and unlike a house the lose their value quickly.

I am sure that you will buy the car that works best for you, on all levels, financially, emotionally and with the practicallity you desire. To each his own, that is why there is such an abundance of choices! Have fun finding the right one!

See.. I think my point still stands... lol. Often when the American car is in general is viewed as inferior to the foreign car, either the price is not considered or they are compared to one of the great cars out there which is not fair. Not many European and Japanese cars measure up to a M series any more than the average American car.]

btw, the Z06 is only in the $70k range ;)

The new ZR-1 is around $100k... but it will not only stack up against the true supercars of the world, it will embarrass most of them for a fraction of the cost. LOL!!!!!

I really like American cars. The entire Dodge SRT line is all up there in my list. However, when I take any American vehicle and I compare it against others in its class, I ALWAYS find a German or Japanese vehicle thats better in every way - and cheaper.

As for the "wasting time" comment - I drive an Infiniti and I'm on the forum to gain knowledge so I don't waste money trying to gain it first hand. I don't see how "wasting" time on a forum has anything to do with what car someone drives. I love my car, and half the people at school would probably kill to have one (I'm 17), but just because I happen to drive a nice car doesn't mean that its a waste of time for me to be on the forum but not a waste of time for someone who drives a Civic or Taurus...

I love things made in the USA, but the reality is, most products that are turn out to be more poorly made than their foreign counterparts as well as more expensive.

The only exception to the preceding statement would be Castle. I can think of no other exception off the top of my head.

In my opinion America needs to step it up by making products of higher quality. Even if they end up being 10 or even 20% more expensive than the competition, I believe most people will pay slightly more if it gets them a better product.

America has the best technology of any country. But yet it takes us 7 and 8L to get 500hp while it takes the Germans 5L (Corvette/Viper compared to an M5/M6). Heck a ferrari gets 500hp from 4.3L...

BP-Revo, How many foot pounds of torque go with those motors? I have seen a 700hp VW 2010cc motor. Would I put it in my 10,000lb work truck and expect it to get down the road better than my little 350hp 454cu v-8? no.

I think the castle product will be cool. (subject matter?)

"Look honey, we are approaching the 100k mile service for the ferrari!"

"Ok dear, do you remember where the dealership is?"

"No, remember we have not been back since we bought it new."

This is is a conversation that would never occur between a ferrari owner and his wife. Possibly a japanese vehicle could do this, and many american pickup trucks go for a while without anything but oil changes. In order to get that kind of power, tolerances must be tighter and that causes accelerated wear. No way to get around that, except to use much higher tech materials and thta drives the price up. America has lagged behind the rest of the world due to the fact tthe big 3 have had each other to compete with. It did not take much for ford to build a better vehicle than the chrysler k car, and anything drove better than a late 80s early 90s GM front wheel drive product (caddilac cavalier, anyone remember that little gem?).

All the japanese had to do was bring in a better made car and it was easy then, the big 3 were rolling in cash due to selling their crap to the unwashed masses. Now they have to face the reality that they were not keeping up with the times, and they have soiled their names. Is a camry any better than a taurus? It was in the early ninety, but not now. However the damage is done and the general public is fixed on the fact that the japanese cars are better, truth or not.

Plus the european mfgs have sold a bunch of high performance cars to the US, especially when all you could get was a crap 84 vette that a big block truck could outrun. Now they have a performance image that the US cars do not. Do they last as long? Are replacement parts cheap? No, but who cares as they are all lease vehicles anyway.

I've seen a 1000whp Evo, which sports a 2L engine. Given, it lasted about one pass and needed to be rebuilt.

Obviously the motors have less torque because torque is in many parts directly related to displacement. But then again we are talking high performance cars not work vehicles...

A Viper has more torque and weighs less than an M5 yet it is slower straight line care to explain that?

When something is engineered better its just engineered better.

Who cares about numbers and all that. When you get two cars, the faster one is just faster. And when the faster one happens to have all the odds against it, heavier sedan with a SMALLER displacement engine, you have to wonder...

Right on - I totally agree with you there. Sorry, I think I was just overreacting.

For me, I currently drive a '95 Acura Legend GS. I would love it if there were an equivalent American car, but there just isn't. When I got it I had about $7k to spend since I didn't want a car payment. It's one of the best cars ever made. Now it's on 170k and all I do is routine maintenance. It's not a performance beast but it has 230hp and drives awesome. Anyway, I'll keep my eyes open for an American car when I replace this thing at the end of this year or next. Whenever I have the $$ :mdr:

Great points - however, don't forget that Neu motors are made in the USA!! That would be one to add to the list with Castle. :yes:

Wow, threads do evolve around here! :lol:

phew ... really ... er.. 'interesting' thoughts.

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Sidetracked.
 

Yeah We all get a little side tracked from time to time. Especially the older folks around here:lol:. BUT We usually find our way home eventually. If not then aulzhimer might be setting in. Happy to see that you missed us BG:rofl:. Are any other RC motors/controllers made in the USA beside Neu, and CC?:eyes:

I drive a "Pinto". Do most or all of you know what "Pinto" means in Portuguese (Brasil mainly)?

So, who's going to get the MMM when it comes out?

This thread is awesome. :lol:

Speaking of Pintos - I worked with a gearhead that had taken a Pinto wagon and dropped a V8 into it. Called it the "Poison Pinto". It was crazy ghetto and hilarious. I'm sure it was pretty fast though.

Oh yeah, I will be buying the MMM or MM or whatever they call it. I'll be getting the 1500kv version and dropping it into my XT8 and using a NeuEnergy 6s 3900.

hahaha, i just looked it up. i'm sorry, lutach. hopefully it's not true with you! :lol:

When I was a young boy :angel: in Brasil, I used to sometime just walk around everywhere in the nude :lol:. All the girl in he neighborhood used to say I had a nice "pinto". Dumb Brasilian kid I was :tongue:. Went back there in 98 and people were still talking about the little kid who used to run around playing soccer (futebol) naked.

Uh, dude, are you sure you want to let everyone know that? :lol:

Not really :lol:. Just trying to throw the thread off the subject again lol.

I'll get serious now.

I will wait until everyone run the MMM first before I think about getting one. I might also wait until just the ESC or maybe a HV one comes out. I got happy when I saw the cut off in this post http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...&postcount=117, but I'll wait and see.

Lutach - I got the query wrong - I fixed it and I think is actually was only 4s... It is out there in the thread again

I saw it and cried :lol:. Castle needs to step up the game, because Schulze will be coming out with a value line up and I just read in a boat forum a midrange line as well with the following: 40.100, 32.115 and 24.150.

TMI...

And don't lie, you still do that! :wink:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Man it's too cold outside :lol:. Brian, are you going to wait as well to get the MMM? One other thing not related to this thread, are you going to add the Mega ACn22 line to you calculator?

Cold? Come on, be a REAL man! Of course, if it's too cold, what makes you a real man will shrivel up...

No, the MMM doesn't have the voltage levels I want for my current project. I'll wait til others work out the bugs if there are any. Besides, I think availability will be a problem for a little while at first.

Yeah, I can add the Mega motors. You have a link to their site handy? I'll likely need more data than the store provides.

The link for Mega is:

www.megamotor.cz
www.megamotorusa.com