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lutach 11.06.2008 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 229555)
This is exactly the point. There isn't a bullet-to-heatsink spacing issue, and there isn't a fan wire issue on the V3.

So don't risk breaking your MMM V3 by trying to "fix" a non-existent issue.
Patrick,

There's a few that has this problem. I have a V2 that I can see the bottom of the heat sink is touching the motor plugs. Would you like me to send it in for your inspection?

Regards,

Luciano.

lutach 11.06.2008 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 229860)
People may have issues getting a MMM case open, these are the same people who repeatedly drive their truck into a tree and then complain about its poor build quality and materials. These people also take drool breaks at work and pick their nose constantly.
Lincpimp master sir,

I have to agree with you 100000% on this one. How can someone not know how to open the Monster case without causing any damage. A lot of people do sometimes get too excited when they get a RC vehicle or item(s) and tend to just go too fast without taking their sweet time and looking things over first. A lot of mistakes do happen when people don't listen. I've been doing this for basically over 15yrs and I've probably made more mistakes then most of you guys on this forum, but I'm still learning as well. A lot of guys think I know a thing or two, but what I know is basically from what I've learned. So please, take your time when you get your products and ask as many questions before doing something you might not know. Most important though, always listen to the guys who have been there and done that.

castlemike 11.06.2008 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 229867)
Patrick,

There's a few that has this problem. I have a V2 that I can see the bottom of the heat sink is touching the motor plugs. Would you like me to send it in for your inspection?

Regards,

Luciano.
He didnt say there were not any out there with the heatsink touching the plugs. He is telling you that even when they are touching it is not a problem. I am working with production to make sure this doesnt happen anymore. That way no has to debate it anymore. :yipi:

bruce750i 11.06.2008 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hootie7159 (Post 229861)
i was walking through homedepot the other day and had an idea that maybe a some dry wall patch screen would work....maybe place the screen on top of the MMM case that way you won't have to open it if you don't want to....and i do believe that the patch screening is sticky on the other side.....but i haven't tried it yet..
Thats what I did on my still kicking no mods V1.

BrianG 11.06.2008 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by castlemike (Post 229875)
... I am working with production to make sure this doesnt happen anymore. That way no has to debate it anymore. :yipi:
lol, but then what are we going to debate about? :lol:

lutach 11.06.2008 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by castlemike (Post 229875)
He didnt say there were not any out there with the heatsink touching the plugs. He is telling you that even when they are touching it is not a problem. I am working with production to make sure this doesnt happen anymore. That way no has to debate it anymore. :yipi:
Mike,

So, if I use my V2, I'll be ok even if all the plugs are touching the heat sink? I just want to be 100% sure that everything will be ok before I use it.

DLS II 11.06.2008 12:58 PM
Yippie!! I just got my V3 case from CC. Now I can very carefully install it. Thanks CC!!! Don

lincpimp 11.06.2008 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 229881)
lol, but then what are we going to debate about? :lol:
The price of tea in China????

RBMike 11.06.2008 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 229881)
lol, but then what are we going to debate about? :lol:
The fan wires :oh:

BrianG 11.06.2008 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RBMike (Post 229891)
The fan wires :oh:
How about just the use of fans? :whistle:

Yeah, I guess there will always be something to banter about...

hootie7159 11.06.2008 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 229881)
lol, but then what are we going to debate about? :lol:
Why does the MM case only come in black? :lol: ....or why do the bullets have to be gold? :lol: ...... or why is the sky blue?:lol:

BrianG 11.06.2008 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hootie7159 (Post 229896)
Why does the MM case only come in black? :lol: ....or why do the bullets have to be gold? :lol: ...... or why is the sky blue?:lol:
Well, those questions have answers:

The case is black because Castle forgot to pay their color bill.

Bullets are gold because gold goes with black very well.

The sky is blue because green (or any other color) would look icky.

FG101C 11.06.2008 01:11 PM
To all the one that constantly have problems. How are you running these thing? I've had my v2 for over three months now with no issues, and this is in a truggy on a track in race conditions.

I think with all the failures and the freak outs there's alot more going on than "I just put it in my car and drove around in the dirt".

The way I've seen people drive r/c cars, nothing could survive long.

The Mamba Monster is an awesome product, that will only get better, but constantly spazzing out is not the way for a company to recieve feedback.

.....And I just reminded myself of why I hate on-line forums....

castlemike 11.06.2008 01:22 PM
Honestly we do get some very good feedback from this forum. Most of the guys on here (not all but most) are pretty smart when it comes to R/C stuff.

bustitup 11.06.2008 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by castlemike (Post 229907)
Honestly we do get some very good feedback from this forum. Most of the guys on here (not all but most) are pretty smart when it comes to R/C stuff.


bustitup:whip::whistle:

JaySki 11.06.2008 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 229860)
Wanna make a bet with me on that... I am 4 for 4 on crimped fan wires, and I sure as hell did not do it opening the case.

People may have issues getting a MMM case open, these are the same people who repeatedly drive their truck into a tree and then complain about its poor build quality and materials. These people also take drool breaks at work and pick their nose constantly.

The fan wire is an issue, not a possible issue. Have you taken a MMM apart yet, or do you even have one? The fan wire is routed between the 2 caps closest to the neg bullet. The slot in the case lip is not directly lined up with that routing so the wire naturally falls in a location that can be crimped.
Yes, I do have one.. in fact 4 of them. The only one I have opened was the one that I received the updated Case for after they sent the updated V3 to me. The other 3, no, I have not opened. I have no reason to... as.. they are under warranty.. and if they fail.. I'll send it in to Castle for Warranty Repair.

Happywing 11.06.2008 06:28 PM
I think the following response
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaySki (Post 229914)
Yes, I do have one.. in fact 4 of them....
Helps explain this response:
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Originally Posted by JaySki (Post 229809)
I don't really think that is for you to worry about.. they can build however they want. When/if it fails.. You send it in and get it fixed. It's pretty basic, and they have gone above and beyond in taking care of the issues.

If you look at MOST electronics, if not all, there are Warranty stickers on the seals of them.. stating "Warranty Void" if broken. They don;t want consumers toying in the stuff.
Do you crack open your Home Theater receiver to look for defects and fix/mod it? Probably not.

Just leave it alone... If it fries the fan due to the fan wires, then it's on them to fix. Everything else.. if it fries something due to the failure.. Talk to Castle and work with them.

Getting pissed because they are starting to push a normal policy.. is a bit silly.
How about a little empathy for the average dude that only has one? How many races do I want to miss to do a VERY basic repair? Now that's silly...and yes, I would crack open my home theater to fix a fan. How about this idea. Fix it and THEN send them out?

BrianG 11.06.2008 06:44 PM
lol, I crack open just about everything I own and modify what I deem necessary (usually things that I feel should have been done at the factory). :smile:

But I agree, it sucks for those who do not have/can't afford to have a pile of spare ESCs if/when one goes south. A good warranty is a blessing, but it doesn't help you to keep running on race day - unless you happen to have Patrick as your pit crew. :lol:

hootie7159 11.06.2008 06:55 PM
I can only imagine Patrick's pit area....10 tons worth of machinery along with enough solder to cover the track...not to mention the ability to fix/produce any esc with any spec you want.....just think

Racer: "Crap!!! My Monster's dead....Patrick quick hook me up with another esc"
Patrick: "okay here you go...I put a SHV 200 with a Neu 2230 1/y....AND I fabricated you a lipo tray that holds 2 6s 5000mah lipos.....AND here are the lipos you need!"
Racer: "But Patrick, my truggy now weighs as much as 10 monster trucks!!!"
Patrick: "As long as you land on your wheels, the first triple should take you all the way to the back straight....then air-out the double across the 3 turns and into the finish line....that will cut your lap times down to 10 seconds on a 35 second lap track!!!"
Racer: Thanks PAtrick!!"

brushlessboy16 11.06.2008 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 230022)
lol, I crack open just about everything I own and modify what I deem necessary (usually things that I feel should have been done at the factory). :smile:

But I agree, it sucks for those who do not have/can't afford to have a pile of spare ESCs if/when one goes south. A good warranty is a blessing, but it doesn't help you to keep running on race day - unless you happen to have Patrick as your pit crew. :lol:
like de-fanning?

BrianG 11.06.2008 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by brushlessboy16 (Post 230028)
like de-fanning?
lol, only on something like R/Cs. I have 10 fans on my archaic computer, but that isn't subjected to the harsh environments of R/C either. I also use a fan on my Hyperion ESO7i when in discharge mode to keep the heatsink cool. But again, it's stationary.

kulangflow 11.06.2008 07:13 PM
And here I pictured you without even a fan on the radiator of your 1:1 ...

BrianG 11.06.2008 07:16 PM
yeah, I have a fan on my 1:1. But it's a tad more robust than a cheap 40mm fan zip tied to a heatsink... :smile:

JaySki 11.06.2008 09:10 PM
Hobby Rule #1.... It isn't cheap. If you can't afford it.. as expendable money.. might want to rethink your hobby.
Hobby Rule #2... They break. And if you are racing, you better expect to have spares, especially the vulnerable stuff.. In this case, ESC, Servos, Push rods, Pinions, Spurs, drive shafts, etc... Unless you are OK with it breaking at a race and calling it a day. And that would apply to nearly anything you are DEPENDING on to stay working.
That's just Murphy's law. If it can break it will.. Therefor, have extras.
So, empathy.. Yea.. None. It's a hobby...

brushlessboy16 11.06.2008 09:15 PM
brian you have a pm.

slimthelineman 11.06.2008 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JaySki (Post 230084)
Hobby Rule #1.... It isn't cheap. If you can't afford it.. as expendable money.. might want to rethink your hobby.
Hobby Rule #2... They break. And if you are racing, you better expect to have spares, especially the vulnerable stuff.. In this case, ESC, Servos, Push rods, Pinions, Spurs, drive shafts, etc... Unless you are OK with it breaking at a race and calling it a day. And that would apply to nearly anything you are DEPENDING on to stay working.
That's just Murphy's law. If it can break it will.. Therefor, have extras.
So, empathy.. Yea.. None. It's a hobby...
nicely put. i agree, but that being said, when i buy something expensive i expect it to live up to the price tag. i travel for a living and have LIMETED space for my hobby(1 F8 pitbag). have never had a "spare" or second "backup speed controll" and never will. parts, yeah unavoidable, but i think people for the most part expect electronics to be flawless.:lol: nothing is flawless, but the demands we place on the equipment we use can definately cause things to fail prematurely. even if it is a hobby we are talking about some serios time, money, knowledge invested into these machines, all of which are NOT expendable in my book. it will be different from person to person but i think most of these problems can be avoided with some patience and help from other sources. i gues im just trying to say that we are for the most part we not your average hobby people, we race we destroy we fix, this is how it goes. dont let failures get the best of you. it happens to everyone, :neutral:sucks but hey it could be worse right?

mkrusedc 11.06.2008 10:25 PM
For me, the wrenching is part of what I like about this hobby.

auto2 11.06.2008 10:27 PM
my solution is to have 2 cars. i use one for parts and replace the parts i use later in the week, only problem is i race an 808 and it never breaks. lol

slimthelineman 11.06.2008 10:34 PM
i just TRY not to crash:lol: like Jimmy B. preaches, slow is fast! :yes:

lincpimp 11.06.2008 11:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaySki (Post 229914)
Yes, I do have one.. in fact 4 of them. The only one I have opened was the one that I received the updated Case for after they sent the updated V3 to me. The other 3, no, I have not opened. I have no reason to... as.. they are under warranty.. and if they fail.. I'll send it in to Castle for Warranty Repair.
If you lack the desire to have a good look at what you are running, and attempt to understand it better that is fine with me. I see the fault in everything and do what I can to improve on it. That is why I posted pics and shared my insight.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JaySki (Post 230084)
Hobby Rule #1.... It isn't cheap. If you can't afford it.. as expendable money.. might want to rethink your hobby.
Hobby Rule #2... They break. And if you are racing, you better expect to have spares, especially the vulnerable stuff.. In this case, ESC, Servos, Push rods, Pinions, Spurs, drive shafts, etc... Unless you are OK with it breaking at a race and calling it a day. And that would apply to nearly anything you are DEPENDING on to stay working.

Having an esc fail is almost a given. I would rather make sure that it will be failing due to component issues than due to poor wire routing.

If you want to buy a dozen MMMs and have 5 spares go for it. I am sure that CC loves you for that!! I have tons of equipment, and never go without a running r/c. I don't race, or really bash that much. I build stuff. And I mod almost everything. Not everyone is content to run stuff stock out of the box, maybe you are. Either way is fine by me.
That's just Murphy's law. If it can break it will.. Therefor, have extras.
So, empathy.. Yea.. None. It's a hobby...

slimthelineman 11.06.2008 11:26 PM
Having an esc fail is almost a given. I would rather make sure that it will be failing due to component issues than due to poor wire routing.

couldnt be further from the truth. nothing is a given in this world and like ive said before in the past 15+ years the mmm is the ONLY esc that has ever failed in any of my cars. trust me i race hard and if it will break i break it. something like an esc with no real moving parts should last a LONG time when used within ratings. Poor wire routing, yes, but im more than happy to fix it for MYSELF regardless of what the manufacture thinks.

BrianG 11.06.2008 11:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaySki (Post 230084)
Hobby Rule #1.... It isn't cheap. If you can't afford it.. as expendable money.. might want to rethink your hobby.
Hobby Rule #2... They break. And if you are racing, you better expect to have spares, especially the vulnerable stuff.. In this case, ESC, Servos, Push rods, Pinions, Spurs, drive shafts, etc... Unless you are OK with it breaking at a race and calling it a day. And that would apply to nearly anything you are DEPENDING on to stay working.
That's just Murphy's law. If it can break it will.. Therefor, have extras.
So, empathy.. Yea.. None. It's a hobby...
Rule #1: Unacceptable. Just because I can afford it doesn't mean I wish to throw all my disposable income at a hobby.

Rule #2: Again; unacceptable. In my experience, if mounted right, the more vulnerable parts are protected. The other more easily attainable stuff are acceptable casualties. I design (perhaps "over-engineer" is a better word) my setups to be built and run with little maintenance and with crashes in mind.

So, instead of throwing money at a problem, I would rather throw my intellect at it. But that's just me.

lincpimp 11.06.2008 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 230164)
So, instead of throwing money at a problem, I would rather throw my intellect at it. But that's just me.
Some people lack the intellect, and money will not always cure that problem... I am right there with you Brian, and I also get some satisfaction from fixing potential problems...

What's_nitro? 11.07.2008 12:52 AM
May I join you both on that bandwagon??? :lol:

BrianG 11.07.2008 12:55 AM
Sure, I think there is plenty of room...

George16 11.07.2008 01:03 AM
I tend to over-engineer my stuff to just like what I did to Lutach's ESC on my gmaxx. I soldered additional caps and put a 3mm aluminum backing plate to prevent flex.

lincpimp 11.07.2008 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by George16 (Post 230201)
I tend to over-engineer my stuff to just like what I did to Lutach's ESC on my gmaxx. I soldered additional caps and put a 3mm aluminum backing plate to prevent flex.
Better to fix a potential problem than have a damaged item. You may not need to do anything but time spent is usually not wasted. Plus after tinkering with something you generally end up with a better understanding of what is going on. Kind of like have sex with the lights on...

slimthelineman 11.07.2008 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 230204)
Better to fix a potential problem than have a damaged item. You may not need to do anything but time spent is usually not wasted. Plus after tinkering with something you generally end up with a better understanding of what is going on. Kind of like have sex with the lights on...
spoken like a true pimp:lol:

lincpimp 11.07.2008 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by slimthelineman (Post 230205)
spoken like a true pimp:lol:
Word to your mother! Man, that would be a great tattoo....:whistle:

George16 11.07.2008 04:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 230204)
Better to fix a potential problem than have a damaged item. You may not need to do anything but time spent is usually not wasted. Plus after tinkering with something you generally end up with a better understanding of what is going on. Kind of like have sex with the lights on...
Very well stated Linc :rofl::rofl::rofl:.

Besides, neccessity is the mother of inventions :party::party::party::party:.


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