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DickyT 02.16.2009 11:43 AM

DT's new 1:1 - XRS Corolla
 
So.... I sold the $4!7box bimmer and bought a 2006 XRS Corolla. It has the Celica GT-S motor, 6 speed manual, stiffer struts and springs, larger sway bars, front strut brace and rear strut tower X brace. It gets incredible gas mileage and if I can stay away form the 8200 rpm redline I will get close to 400 miles on an 11 gallon tank.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17...XRS/06xrs1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17...XRS/06xrs2.jpg

My forum name on the 9thgencorolla.com forum is shift@8k :D

kulangflow 02.16.2009 12:37 PM

Looks like fun!

How does it compare to the Sentra SE-R Spec V? My brother has the Sentra and it's quite fun to drive.

DickyT 02.16.2009 12:58 PM

Thanks, It is comparable to the Spec V, I work with a guy that has one and we ran a few times on 1/4 mile road that is the back end of the buildings parking lot. It was pretty even every time except when he missed 2nd. I ran 2 civic si's over the weekend and just thrashed them both.

I drove it much harder this weekend than I will during regular commutes and still pulled 30 MPG :D

TexasSP 02.16.2009 01:20 PM

Have fun with "lift" in the high RPM's!!! I miss my 02 Celica GTS......

This is also the same motor and transmission used in the lotus. Since lotus started using them there is a lot more aftermarket parts you can get including several different stages of cam upgrades and what not. It is by far one of the finest small motors out there. The head work by Yamaha is a work of art.

kulangflow 02.16.2009 01:24 PM

It sounds like it's about the same speed as my 1988 Celica AllTrac Turbo. I raced my brother's Sentra SE-R Spec V three times. I beat him all three times, but just barely ... not enough to really say mine is faster. My car has 190 hp/ 190 ft-lbs at the crank, where his has 175 hp at the crank (torque unknown). Mine has awd (lots of power loss) and is 20 years old.

For some reason he won't race me in the snow.:whistle:

What are the power specs on your new XRS?

Takedown 02.16.2009 01:28 PM

Should be a fun little car.

DickyT 02.16.2009 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kulangflow (Post 262245)
What are the power specs on your new XRS?

170 hp, 127 ft-lbs, very tight ratio on the 1st 5 gears with 6th more like an overdrive.

I want to mod it, but keep it mild (by my standards), intake, the trd catback (no fart cans here) and a vvtl-i controller to lower lift to 5500 and play with the air fuel ratio. Some shorter springs of similar rate and coil over sleeves or performance dampers and some light 17" wheels, rays or something of that nature.

None of that right away though.need to recoup a bit after the down payment, the coffers are a bit low right now.

Takedown 02.16.2009 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DickyT (Post 262265)
170 hp, 127 ft-lbs, very tight ratio on the 1st 5 gears with 6th more like an overdrive.

I want to mod it, but keep it mild (by my standards), intake, the trd catback (no fart cans here) and a vvtl-i controller to lower lift to 5500 and play with the air fuel ratio. Some shorter springs of similar rate and coil over sleeves or performance dampers and some light 17" wheels, rays or something of that nature.

None of that right away though.need to recoup a bit after the down payment, the coffers are a bit low right now.

Make it sleeper. Can you imagine if you slapped a 25lb turbo on their with a decked out engine and keep the stock outer looks. People would be laughing until you completely pwn them.:lol:

DickyT 02.16.2009 02:57 PM

I would have to SERIOUSLY lower the compression to run 25psi. The motor is 11.5:1 compression. Guys are running 7-8lbs reliably in stock motor. 8lb's with a vvtl-i controller, intake, bigger injectors, trd exhaust, and a dyno tune are putting about 225 to the ground. More than enough for me. but in all honesty I want to stick to simple bolt ons. I bought a 5 year/60k mile extended warranty, so anything I add needs to be able to come off quick if it needs to go in for service.

TexasSP 02.16.2009 03:23 PM

Check out the cams then.....

newcelica.org is a good place for that motor as well. There were a lot of guys on there doing 2zz mods and what not with excellent results.

I wouldn't run boost on that motor anyway, there are better ways for it to make power. As you said, the compression is rather high as well. I will look through my old notes on the motor and see what I can find to help you.

DickyT 02.16.2009 03:35 PM

I'm very familiar with newcelica.org. I had a 2000 GT-S from 00-03 and was one of the early members on their forum. :D

TexasSP 02.16.2009 06:20 PM

Did not know that. I mainly browsed the forum and took notes.

4g63t 06.01.2009 07:06 PM

nice car but DO NOT RACE AN EVO my brother's 350z can't beat one lol

Andrew32 06.01.2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 4g63t (Post 292008)
nice car but DO NOT RACE AN EVO my brother's 350z can't beat one lol

bet i could....assuming the other driver sucks:lol:.....then again my 350 was totalled:neutral:


Wow, the newer corollas are getting sick gas milage. My 2004 is barely getting 320 a tank and thats with me shoving an extra 2 gallons

4g63t 06.01.2009 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew32 (Post 292020)
bet i could....assuming the other driver sucks:lol:.....then again my 350 was totalled:neutral:


Wow, the newer corollas are getting sick gas milage. My 2004 is barely getting 320 a tank and thats with me shoving an extra 2 gallons

He killed every mustang gt he ever ran in his 350z with a air box.
the evo is easy to mod. But add a turbo kit and well you get the picture:lol:

ClodMaxx 06.01.2009 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4g63t (Post 292039)
He killed every mustang gt he ever ran in his 350z with a air box.

sheesh... i must be finding all the mustang owners around where with deep pockets then.... lately it's been a handful of GT 500's. i see them pull up to the line and i just slowly creep away in my Z. :lol: a guy in our local group whipped the butt off a stock viper in his Z though.... but he has almost 700 hp... to the wheels.

sorry dicky - nice find! i know you modded your friends Z pretty extensively... i'll have to see what you think is the best bang for the buck mod. i have a plenum spacer, popcharger (CAI), and race pipes. what next? i'm thinking aftermarket exhaust... it's stock now, except for the race pipes. thoughts? PM me if you'd like. :smile:

4g63t 06.01.2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ClodMaxx (Post 292050)
sheesh... i must be finding all the mustang owners around where with deep pockets then.... lately it's been a handful of GT 500's. i see them pull up to the line and i just slowly creep away in my Z. :lol: a guy in our local group whipped the butt off a stock viper in his Z though.... but he has almost 700 hp... to the wheels.

sorry dicky - nice find! i know you modded your friends Z pretty extensively... i'll have to see what you think is the best bang for the buck mod. i have a plenum spacer, popcharger (CAI), and race pipes. what next? i'm thinking aftermarket exhaust... it's stock now, except for the race pipes. thoughts? PM me if you'd like. :smile:

nice it boosted right? and how boost 15

ClodMaxx 06.01.2009 10:06 PM

whoops. 550rwhp, not 700. :lol: 16 psi.

http://www.viperalley.com/forum/vipe...s-550rwhp.html

BP-Revo 06.02.2009 03:07 AM

While that 350 was quick, one has to realize that the Viper has 2 gears to ~100mph. The Z hits 100 about 2/3 of the way through 4th. So 3 and half gears you could say.

To 135 or so the Z has about 5 gears, the Viper has 3. You could see once the Z hit 6th and the Viper hit 4th, it quickly started running the Z down (but the race ended soon after).

Vipers are not particularly fast despite having mountain-moving torque and monstrous HP figures. The reason is that they are geared to the moon. I mean, they are still fast, but they lose a lot because the gearing is just so tall. So to 100mph, they aren't exactly blistering. But the point is that they do not slow down much. They pull hard all the way up to 175+

ClodMaxx 06.02.2009 10:15 AM

a win is a win, my friend. :na:

TexasSP 06.02.2009 11:00 AM

Yup! ^^^^

Vipers are also rough, clunky, handle for crap, loud, and just plain not fun to drive in anything but a short straight line. Not too mention they get hot as hell on the side exhaust models. For half the price of a viper there are several cars that will whip it's a$$ in every category.

I much prefer a cat that is nimble and and handle versus an all out torque machine. Going fast in a straight line is fun for about a minute.

4g63t 06.02.2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ClodMaxx (Post 292180)
a win is a win, my friend. :na:

very true

Unsullied_Spy 06.02.2009 11:08 AM

Considering the weight of a Mustang and being 2wd it isn't hard to take off the line (especially considering how short 1st gear is). Up around 65 MPH the torque of the V8 really starts to shine but most redlight drag races are won or lost by the time you get moving that fast.

4g63t 06.02.2009 11:10 AM

350z can make 1500hp
one shop had it up to 1250hp
they have a 4.2L stroker and a twin turbo kits but i am looking for a gt42r kit for the 350z. I love all cars

4g63t 06.02.2009 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 292199)
Considering the weight of a Mustang and being 2wd it isn't hard to take off the line (especially considering how short 1st gear is). Up around 65 MPH the torque of the V8 really starts to shine but most redlight drag races are won or lost by the time you get moving that fast.

to much noise dig :lol:allways from a roll z pulls mustang in 3th gear

Unsullied_Spy 06.02.2009 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4g63t (Post 292202)
350z can make 1500hp
one shop had it up to 1250hp
they have a 4.2L stroker and a twin turbo kits but i am looking for a gt42r kit for the 350z. I love all cars

The problem with getting that much power out of an engine that small is you have to run huge cams with a freakin' ton of boost. I'd rather have the stroker engine with the twin turbos but more mild cams and turbos so it's more usable everyday (and you can get traction, rather than having to wait until 120+ to mat it). I agree with the last statement, every car has it's purpose and intended market and they can all put a smile on your face.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4g63t (Post 292204)
to much noise dig :lol:allways from a roll z pulls mustang in 3th gear

Does a Z really have that much torque up top? I drove an '04 and it was quick but I didn't realize that they had anything up top. I only had it up to about 65 but it was all in town so I couldn't really open it up much.

4g63t 06.02.2009 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 292205)
The problem with getting that much power out of an engine that small is you have to run huge cams with a freakin' ton of boost. I'd rather have the stroker engine with the twin turbos but more mild cams and turbos so it's more usable everyday (and you can get traction, rather than having to wait until 120+ to mat it). I agree with the last statement, every car has it's purpose and intended market and they can all put a smile on your face.

282 cams aem ems 3.8L twin 35r 30psi 350z will make 1200hp
evos with 122 ci 4g63t engine.ams made 1200 on 40psi
ets 1100hp evo
DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON THE SUPRA

Unsullied_Spy 06.02.2009 11:26 AM

Still a lot of boost :oh: Very impressive that such a small engine can do that, but what kind of life can you expect out of the drivetrain?

4g63t 06.02.2009 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 292205)
The problem with getting that much power out of an engine that small is you have to run huge cams with a freakin' ton of boost. I'd rather have the stroker engine with the twin turbos but more mild cams and turbos so it's more usable everyday (and you can get traction, rather than having to wait until 120+ to mat it). I agree with the last statement, every car has it's purpose and intended market and they can all put a smile on your face.



Does a Z really have that much torque up top? I drove an '04 and it was quick but I didn't realize that they had anything up top. I only had it up to about 65 but it was all in town so I couldn't really open it up much.

it's got torque cherps in 2th it does not have the power to beat an evo8/9
it has the hp to do 163mph on a wrx
but evo10s the 350z has beaten four of them sti not really

Unsullied_Spy 06.02.2009 11:42 AM

That's still impressive for such a fairly cheap car. The dealer wanted $33k for the one I drove, and it had quite a few goodies on it. An STI or Evo is harder to get, costs more, and you get fewer goodies with them (and they don't look as good, IMO). Personally I prefer the looks of the 370 to the 350, the new one looks less bubbly.

4g63t 06.02.2009 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 292210)
Still a lot of boost :oh: Very impressive that such a small engine can do that, but what kind of life can you expect out of the drivetrain?

the supra makes 2000hp on c16 45psi with 3.4L i6
this is at the engine not wheels
do not dout small ci
Because when the turbo spins the bulls@#$ will end:lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwOlU...eature=related

4g63t 06.02.2009 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 292216)
That's still impressive for such a fairly cheap car. The dealer wanted $33k for the one I drove, and it had quite a few goodies on it. An STI or Evo is harder to get, costs more, and you get fewer goodies with them (and they don't look as good, IMO). Personally I prefer the looks of the 370 to the 350, the new one looks less bubbly.

350z looks better but 370z is not afrad of an evo

ClodMaxx 06.02.2009 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 292216)
That's still impressive for such a fairly cheap car. The dealer wanted $33k for the one I drove, and it had quite a few goodies on it. An STI or Evo is harder to get, costs more, and you get fewer goodies with them (and they don't look as good, IMO). Personally I prefer the looks of the 370 to the 350, the new one looks less bubbly.

agreed... i got to drive a friends new 370, and holy crap its quicker than my 350. nissan really nailed it with the new version. of course it has more to it.... stock 330hp (i think?) compared to my ~300hp, but still.... any Z is one heck of a value for what you're getting! i get an ear to ear smile every time i drive it. :yipi: it can always be faster...but i've learned to be happy with what i have.

4g63t 06.02.2009 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BP-Revo (Post 292146)
While that 350 was quick, one has to realize that the Viper has 2 gears to ~100mph. The Z hits 100 about 2/3 of the way through 4th. So 3 and half gears you could say.

To 135 or so the Z has about 5 gears, the Viper has 3. You could see once the Z hit 6th and the Viper hit 4th, it quickly started running the Z down (but the race ended soon after).

Vipers are not particularly fast despite having mountain-moving torque and monstrous HP figures. The reason is that they are geared to the moon. I mean, they are still fast, but they lose a lot because the gearing is just so tall. So to 100mph, they aren't exactly blistering. But the point is that they do not slow down much. They pull hard all the way up to 175+

for you:lol:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlUrD...eature=related

DickyT 06.02.2009 12:31 PM

wow, this has veered off in standard RC-M fashion... 4g63t, i will not be racing anyone. sure the car is quick, but it is certainly not fast and it is my daily so it will remain stock

ClodMaxx 06.02.2009 12:41 PM

sorry dicky... i take the blame for this course correction. i get all excited when someone mentions a Z. :whip:

thanks for your info, too.

lincpimp 06.02.2009 12:56 PM

I have to disagree on the statement that Vipers do not handle very well. I have driven a few, some stock and some modded and they could take the turns well. Ride was a bit rough, but no worse than a Z is on Louisiana roads (imagine the worst road you have ever been on, that is our best). The venom vipers did handle a bit better than stock, even though I was "tail out" round most turns, hehehe... I used to enjoy drifting the viper in the parking lots the rice kids would hang out in, lets see a fwd civic do that!

I will say that the viper was much more entertaining to drive than the Z, but also cost twice as much so I guess it should be. I did prefer the 3rd gen rx7 for handling over both, but it is a small car that the weight balance has been optimized in. I like most cars as well, they are all fun in their own way. I have to say I prefer a big supercharged V8, can't match the sound or torque with anything else. The viper just sounds weird at full tilt... 10 cylinders...

4g63t 06.02.2009 01:04 PM

sorry to

DickyT 06.02.2009 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 292241)
I did prefer the 3rd gen rx7 for handling over both, but it is a small car that the weight balance has been optimized in.


I had a 95 FD on JIC Magic coilovers, racing beat sways and strut braces with a cusco LSD, lots of go fast things too, but we are talking about handling here.

It is hands down the best handling car I have ever driven. It was a little weak on the bottom end, but 1.3 liters with a single t88 tends to be a bit weak below say 6k rpm.....

4g63t 06.02.2009 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DickyT (Post 292249)
I had a 95 FD on JIC Magic coilovers, racing beat sways and strut braces with a cusco LSD, lots of go fast things too, but we are talking about handling here.

It is hands down the best handling car I have ever driven. It was a little weak on the bottom end, but 1.3 liters with a single t88 tends to be a bit weak below say 6k rpm.....

wow you had a t88 13b lots of lag?
what do you think of the 20b


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