Finally... Castle Creations new controller available soon!
 

I just saw the new ad on their site.

I contacted them if they could/would give me a little more technical details.

When I get a reply, i will vent it here.

Awsome, get the info' quick. :)

Wonder if it will be hotter than the 10L + 9918 combination? Doubt it. :P

hmmmm.......don't want to spoil your thunder, but exactly where on their site is the advert? If your refering to the 'pheonix' controllers, they are not designed for cars or trucks, only planes I think...........

Might be..

It said HV, so i got enthusiastic.. :D

ohwell,......doesn't hurt to get a bit excited!!! :p

When i hear more about it, i will post it.

The normal phoenix 125 can take 20 cells allready..

I also heard a rumour that the new car controller would be named 'mamba', though with a some higher number behind it than the 25...

Please do post any info you find. At this moment in time I'm looking to go for a brushless set-up, but with so many available its hard to decide which one to buy. Any info on castle's new system would be great.

Thanks

The new Castle setup is going to be just a controller initially. I believe it si giong to be called the "mamba maxx", but nobody really knows until it is released. I hope to get a beta version for testing in the near future, so when it is released, I should have an intimate knowledge of it. It is a little ways off, from what I can tell, but when it arrives, I am sure it will be of the quality that Castle Creations is known for.

Here is a thread for info (I am tcolesen there):
http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/s...d.php?t=196958

For those that aren't members,:
MAMBA MAXX SPECIFICATIONS:
- 6 to 16 cells NiCad/NiMH
- Power Capability: 1200 watts continuous, 2400 watts peak
- Brushless motor limit: NONE
- Brushed motor limit: NONE
- PC programming cable included
- 2 to 4s Lithium Polymer
- 13Ga hook-up wire included
- Ultra Duty 5.0V Switching BEC
- Motor connectors included
- Size: 2.2" x 1.3" x 1.25"

Thanks for the link, metalman. I always look forward to a new controller. especially from a reputable company.

Hacker's new controller should be out as well..... I emailed them about a replacement for my Master sport and they said 60days... :rolleyes:

BTW thats the same answer they gave me last year lol........

Also, according to the people in that thread, the Mamba Maxx controller should be ready in 6-8 weeks.

Yeah!
Thanks to the link you gave metalman.. i wasn't right at all, it is called Mamba..

I wonder what it means when it says "Don't get stuck with a brushless ESC that can only run one motor". Are the refering to brushless motors when they say that or brushed motors. Could be interesting if they are refering to brushless motors - I didn't think you could practically run two brushless motors off one controller?

I would still to see some actual current rating, and that 16cell limit raised to 18 :D

Well, they are talking about brushed and brushless.

A sensorless controller is capable of running 2 motors at the same time, it is not recommended though, and not needed either, because when you run on 12-16 cells, one motor is allready powerfull enough to take the max amount of power from the batteries. 2 motors would be very hard on your batteries.

So I guess it is the "equivalent" to the Warrior 7018?

Think 16 cells is slightly restricting now all these cheap cells are about and technology but then again, its the price that could change your thoughts on that. :eek:

Well, this will be more controller than the warrior 7018. Although it won't have the cell count capability (warriors can take 20 cells), it should handle more amps and can also run a brushed motor. It will be a clear upgrade to the 7018 warrior controllers (more programmable as well), aside form the cell limit. Price will of course be a factor in the ultimate value of the controller, but I would expect it to be reasonably priced as well as an exceptional performer. I guess it is tough to really make a comparison until they are available, though.

Got their answer;

The new Phoenix HV controllers will be able to handle 12s lipos (50v), but they were meant for airplanes/helicopters.

I think an e-maxx on 50volts would turn into an airplane anyway!!! :D :D

No, nothing wrong with HV setups.. Takes lipoly's to power them though, but at 50 V, you only need about 20-30A to make it fly...

You can't make an E-Maxx literally fly, I would like to see anyone try though. :D

I have flown mine almost every week. The flight time is only a few seconds, but I have flown it over 30 feet with perfect landings all the time. No wings needed! all you need is a jump!

I got real confused when I read that first line, went back to check I was going on about the right thing, lol.

Should of read your whole post first, lol. Very good.

But I bet you can't make it fly with wings like a plane... no ramps. :D

:)
I bet I could! Just need a prop and some big wings. Too much work for me, though!

Sounds like the new Pheonix controllers may be a good ultra high voltage solution. Does anyone have specs on the new Pheonix controllers?

http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...oenix-125.html

Part # PHX-125
Price $199.95
Cells w/BEC 5-12
Cells w/o BEC 5-20
Continuous 125 amps
Surge 160 amps
Switching Rate Programmable

(11, 22, or 41KHz)

Resistance 0.006 Ohms
Brake Programmable
Reversible Yes - change any two wires
Low Voltage Cut-off Programmable
Size 1.05 x 2.35 x 1 in.
Weight (with wires) 3.2 oz. (91g)


Bear in mind the pheonix controllers are for planes, and have no brakes

This thread was about the HV serie. not the normal serie.

Castles website stills says the Pheonix HV controllers are comming soon. They list three versions, the 45, 85, and 110.
I believe all the Pheonix controllers have brake capability but this is not a requirement for my MT application.
If these controllers can handle 50v then we're looking around 40 cells or atleast a 12s lipo. I just hope the RPM limit is atleast 65k.

I just hope they allow 18 cells, or bring the 16 cell one out cheap.

I can't see them been better than Warriors if they don't, although the Amps might be better?

Yes, I hope they allow 18cells too. Don't forget the warriors are now rated to run 20cells now!!

Maybe if you take out the red wire out of the receiver jumper and use a seperate battery pack that would help to increase the No. of cells you can use.

Possibly but it would mean even more cells.

I always think when manufactures make a product they give the limit a few under what it can actually take, just so it is more reliable. For example it might say a 16cell limit but can probably take 18 with no problems - the manufactures just don't want to risk it.

I somewhat agree with you Nick and as a proof SCHULZE recommended the usage of no more than ten cells with the U-Force 75 although it is rated for 12 cells or maybe higher.

Although saying that, the EVX can only take 12 cells maximum, but to increase sales, Traxxas have said you can run 14 cells, I think this is very risky and either works or doesn't.

My EVX exploded with 14 cells and they did not replace it because using 14 cells voids the warrenty even though Traxxas say on the box/site/instructions that it works perfectly with 14 - how harsh is that?

Well, to tell the truth, we really do not need to use very high voltage in a MT if you want decent handling and acceptable speed. I would say that 45-49 MPH in a MT is more than what you need and in order for you to reach such speed a good 14 cell pack would do the work. Also take into your consideration that the new MAMABA MAXX produces a very high amp rate and it can handles 16 cells at once so if you want it to handle more than that I would say they will sell it for no less than 350+ dollars. If you really need a monstrous ESC you can get the Schulze 40.160 ESC but it will cost you an arm and leg you know.

Well, i don't think it will be 350 dollars, if you look at their other products and the competors it will be about the 250 dollars. CC is not know for a overrated price, and they sure want to make a statement with this controller...

And 'we' don't need HV systems? i personally would like to have a HV setup (and i am for sure going to buy one) and with the upcomming lipoly it gets more and more interesting to buy and build a HV setup.. More volts means less loss.. higher efficiency and lower current flow.

i would prefer a bk36150 over a schulze anyway.. ;)


With the GP2200 it too gets more and more interesting to run 20 cells or so..

6-8 weeks is a long way and I truly want a small and good ESC to use it with the KONTRONIK twist-55 in my TB EVO 4 MS and if the Hacker controller was still on production I woul've bought it for sure, but the Schulze U-force is my best choice till the CC MM comes out.

If you run 20 cellsof GP2200 surely that would be dreadfull runtime?

No;

14X3300=46200 of total energy
20X2200=44000 of total energy

and the voltage of the cells will not drop so far as with the GP3300

Weight is also about the same;
20X44g=880 gram (31.4oz)
14X60g=840 gram (30oz)