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Arct1k 09.04.2007 03:14 PM

Dual Brushless?
 
Anyone tried a dual brushless setup on a e-revo with Emaxx trans?

I have a couple of mm and now run dual 3s2p lipo's so could buy another 9XL - just wondered if had been done and what difference anyone thought it would make.

Cheers

BrianG 09.04.2007 03:16 PM

You can, but for the price and complexity, it's best just to use a single larger motor. A 9XL on 16 cells or 5s is already pretty crazy torque. Two of them would REQUIRE 8th scale diffs and a solid wheelie bar. Kinda like putting a V12 1,000HP engine in a Ford Escort. : )

If you want better performance, I'd go to a Neu 1515 motor...

E-Maxx King 09.04.2007 04:56 PM

Even tho it would haul and look very cool, it would be better to do one motor. Also cause the diffs. Just put a lehner 2230 on 6s!

suicideneil 09.04.2007 05:05 PM

SSSconcepts will testify that his dual MM Emaxx was impossible to drive pretty much, so a single good quality motor like a neu would be far better- unless you are insane, in which case..... : D

E-Maxx King 09.04.2007 05:22 PM

Wasnt he running two 5700 on 3s each? Was he having any problems with heat? What speed was he getting to?

suicideneil 09.04.2007 05:39 PM

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7044

He was I believe, which is a bit crazy, but he already had one 5700 system so just bought another to match; the lower kv motors (4600?) would have been better on 2 or 3s, but you rarely see this dual BL trucks anywhere (except JonnyMaximer's, and that was dual 7XLs!)....

Arct1k 09.04.2007 05:57 PM

There doesn't appear to be any results if this actually happened...

I have the mamba's and good Lipo's (dual 3s2p 20c 4200 Maxamps)...

Anyone want to sponsor an extra 9XL and a pinion? Mike any deals?

I'm just assuming I'm going to get wilder acceleration rather than top speed...

Anyone have an opinions on trying this? Don't want to waste $100 - thx

E-Maxx King 09.04.2007 07:05 PM

Well I would go with 6s and 12xl or something. But the mamba cant handle it. Maybe (stack) the the mambas, to make a 200 amps con. MM!

Arct1k 09.04.2007 07:58 PM

Question for brianG - Can my lipos each support a MM and 9XL

BrianG 09.04.2007 09:14 PM

Well, each 3s2p pack is capable of 84A continuous. I think using them together should be more than enough. You have two choices though: 1) Run a 3s2p pack per MM/motor or 2) charge and balance each sop they are exactly the same level and run both in parallel for 3s4p total (168A) and Y that pack to both MMs. This assumes each pack has seen close to the same use and cycles and age.

You gotta figure each pack is good for ~900w. Two packs should be good for ~1800w. That's 2.4HP.

Arct1k 09.04.2007 09:43 PM

Sounds like a project in the making... This is a cheap price for US - Anyone bought from there?

http://www.superfastrc.com/feigao-5408409xl-.html

Should I expect top end improvement or just massive acceleration?

I currently charge and balance both packs so they are close and then y them.

Cheers - Thanks for help

BrianG 09.04.2007 10:12 PM

No experience with that store, but when you buy from Mike, you know he will stand behind it.

You should have both top end and acceleration. Although a 9XL on 3s is only ~20k rpm, but the fact that you are running two should allow you to gear up to compensate. Personally a pair of 8Ls would probably be a better match rpm-wise, but you already have one 9XL...

Arct1k 09.04.2007 10:34 PM

I know I like mike's stuff but he doesn't sell the Feigao XL's and the 30 difference will help towards a mike H/S and pinion.

I run 24/65 so already gear about as high as i can go :(

Actually thinking about it I have a 7L Wanderer 3168kv in my rustler - Could they pair up at 3s?

BrianG 09.04.2007 10:39 PM

That would be ~35krpm. Should be ok, and you won't have to gear as high.

Arct1k 09.04.2007 10:42 PM

Can I mix with a Feigao 5407L ? Are they rated the same?

PS Just found a funny - They have the shaft size wrong! Wonder how long that has been there!

http://www.castlecreations.com/products/cm36.html

United shows 0 in stock but only $40.... Hmmm BrianG honstly is it worth a try?

Arct1k 09.05.2007 06:16 AM

Sorry Brian - Another option is Mamba 4600.

I have one free and could look for another - are the too fast (not enough torque) for 3s?

BrianG 09.05.2007 09:38 AM

No, the 4600 will run on 3s (after all the sticker says it will). However, the 4600 is a little smaller than an S motor so you might start having heat troubles. I know someone over at the Traxxas forums has a single 5700 on a 2wd emaxx and swears that it runs fine, but I dunno.

If you plan to do this "just to see", that's fine. But I honestly think you'd be happier with a single XL motor on 4s, or better yet 5s.

Arct1k 09.05.2007 05:56 PM

Mike has a 7L so will see what deal he can come up with - fingers crossed less than $70 and I might give it a whirl...

What's_nitro? 09.05.2007 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 116715)
I know someone over at the Traxxas forums has a single 5700 on a 2wd emaxx and swears that it runs fine, but I dunno.

Do they live in Antarctica? Greenland??

BrianG 09.05.2007 09:15 PM

I can't remember, but I remember thinking about replying but figured it wasn't worth it.

suicideneil 09.06.2007 05:22 PM

Yeah, I know the vehicle/guy you mean, but something is rather fishy there. I tried 2wd with the Gmaxx the other day when I did that video, but there was no difference at all in power/speed/wheelies. Unless the MM is that much more powerful than The Hv6.5 I think its better to go with a single XL or L motor, or twin S cans like suggested. Heck, S cans are so cheap its even tempting for me.

Arct1k 09.06.2007 05:56 PM

I have a 9XL on 3S with 24/65 gearing....

This was for semi serious fun but don't want to blow 70-100 on an extra motor setup (an extra 7L) is not going to make much diffence - I would be going from 1800KV to 3100KV though so would expect 40+MPH speed? Am i close?

Hickoryhead 09.27.2007 02:14 AM

Arct1k, were are you at on this project. I am wondering Curiously...

Arct1k 09.27.2007 06:09 AM

Well I now have a second motor - I'm just waiting for mike to get the mugen motor mount in stock and then i'll place an order for the pinion and I'm done.

Hickoryhead 09.27.2007 10:21 PM

I guess I will wait. grudgingly. LOL

Arct1k 09.27.2007 10:23 PM

Don't look at me - just need the mugen mount!

Hickoryhead 12.04.2007 01:24 PM

Still waiting???

Arct1k 12.04.2007 01:30 PM

Doh... I forgot to order the extra pinion... I'll order it tonight...

It will have to wait a little bit as I blew up two mm's...

Back with CC for service... Will set it up when they gets back... promise!


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