Looking for a speed controler for Neu 1515/1D motor
 

G'Day, I have decided to go for a Neu 1515/1D motor to install in my Jato.

It is runing 33T Pinion and 54T Spur.

At the moment it has the speed controler that came with catle creations 5700 motor.

The Neu motor is staying cool with this gearing but the castle creations speed controler is getting too hot.

So the question is what is a good speed controler to get for this Neu motor?
I am only running Maxamps 8000mah 11.1V Lipo.

I don't really want an expensive one,
just one that has a safe 9V cut off for the Lipo,
One that eliminates reverse,
and can vary the amount of breaking.

So if anyone has any ideas on a good speed controler for this motor and has these settings ( fairly chaep) as it is only for bashing it would be appreciated.
Thanks.

I don't think you will find one "cheep" because the Neu motors are 4-pole. Quark and MGM are the only ones I can sugest. And they are $250-$300.
Good luck

I would reconsider your motor choice first of all. A 1515, no matter which Kv. will be way too much for a Jato, I will guarantee you that. Go for a 1509 size Neu motor, and you can use a Quark Competition esc.

Thanks for the info.

I already have the 1515/1D Motor.
It has plenty of power for the Jato plus a bit more.
I just like them a tad over powered for the fun of them.

Any Ideas on which one of the Quark or MGM controlers would be a good choice for this setup? ( I don't want anything fansy)
As I am still a bit new to all of this and haven't really had anything to do with these controlers.

Thanks.

Are you using an external bec with the mamba max? That could help cool it down a little bit. Maybe a fan as well if you wanted.
It does sound like a fairly overpowered car, and maybe your $280 motor needs more than a cheap controller.

yea it is a tad over powered.

But any information on which type of Quark or MGM controlers would be greatly appreciated.

I have found these two
http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...22418CP&cat=21
http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...MM160183sHCS01

I am not sure if they will be ok with the above setup.
Any more infomation appreciated.
thanks.

I would try a Mamba Max. The Jato is so light, it's not likely you will get any cogging or hesitation. I run a 1515 1.5D/F in my MBX5T and MBX5. The truggy has a little stutter, while the buggy does not.
The 1515 in a Jato is just WAY overkill....WAY overkill. The MM will work.

A 1515 in a Jato?!?! :surprised: The 1515 is something people put in 10-15lb monster trucks/truggies, not a 4lb 2wd ST. :smile:

I hope you plan on metal tranny parts made! Have fun trying to get the power to the ground with that kind of power. :smile: At the very least, you'll be able to gear up as high as you want for truly insane speeds.

I agree with Brian. But if you are so set on it, then get the Quark 125b, or use the MM you already have with an external UBEC.

The Quark 125B or the MGM 160 amp 18 cell. They are both the same price $275 here in the RCM store. Good luck.

Thats what he said he was running...

I suggest you sell Neu and pick up a Mamba motor and controller for about the same money and be done with it. The 1515 is too much to even have fun with in a Jato. It wouldn't be driveable. I can barely keep my 10 lb crt in control with it.

Na the Mamba maxx motors are too small for high gearing.
I have already destroyed the magnet in the mamba 5700 motor.

I might give on of the Quark 125B or the MGM 160 a go.
These shouldn't over heat should they?

The MGM 16018 shouldn't over heat and should run stone cold. But the 125b tends to have a heat problem... So many members here have done a heat mod to it. Those who have done it will have more to say on it.

thanks for the info.

Do the MGM 160 run hot at all?

What sort of price is the MGM 16018.
I had a look for it here but it wasn't listed.

the 16018 MGM is the same price as Quark, $275. The MGM can be the better deal in most applications.

Do you have a fan on Your MM controller. The controller you have should be good with a UBEC. Is cogging a problem or just heat.

Hey ZP, I was reading your signature. what happens in the year 2012?

In 2012??? Scientifics says that's the end of the world man:diablo:

to bad we wont be here anymore we could build a giant rc and fight back against the world!

I agree, the MGM runs cool. They are here in the RC-Monster store (not sure if in stock though).

No:lol: i've order the last one yesterday night, but call Mike, he under rate his inventory, and i'am sure that he probably have one or two in stock.

A neu 1512 or 1509 would probably be quicker, the smaller roter would spool up faster.

From what eveyone is saying the MGMm are the way to go.
I had a look for the 16018 MGM but was unable to find it listed.

Do you have a link for it?

You linked to it in post #6. It is out of stock at the moment though.
http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...MM160183sHCS01

Who are Scientifics? :lol:
To my knowledge, there will be an alignment of our solar system in the center of the Milkyway Galaxy in 2012. Although, I don't know what affect that will have on anything.
Also, the Inca calander comes to an end in the year 2012. Noone knows exactly why this caladar ends in 2012 (There aren't any Inca's around to ask) but many believe time as we know it will end. There were also many who believed all hell would break loose on Y2K and it turned out to be pretty much an ordinary day...

A couple guys mentioned running the MM with a UBEC to cool things down. I would suggest using a UBEC or CCBEC AND adding an additional cell to run 4S. Of coarse you'll need to gear down accordingly and disable the MM's onboard BEC. The extra voltage should reduce the current enough for you to notice a difference in temps. If not, you can easily add a 5v fan to shave off the remaining excess heat.

There are several guys here that run the MM with NEU motors on 4S & UBEC and have not reported heat issues. I think just changing the ESC is going to be an expensive solution if you plan on continuing to run 3S. I would invest in an extra cell before dropping $300 on a new ESC.

+1. That's my take too. If you plan to put your 1515 in something big eventually, getting an MGM might not be a bad idea. For this situation, the MM can be set up to work great. I use an MM/1515 1.5d/f in my MBX5T and it runs cool. Shouldn't be a problem at all in a Jato.

Just wanted to speak up for the quark, I'm running mine on a 13lb. savage with 5s apogee li-mn 5800mAh packs and even when I'm going balls to the walls full throttle it barely even gets warm, though it may be because of the integrated heatsink on my rx/esc tray that mike did for me. It's smooth as silk and stays cool as a cucumber if I'm easy on it.

P.S. Forgot to mention I'm running a 1515/2.5D

Ok, thans agiain for this info. I am starting to learn a bit more about all of this now.
I guess the question is now, what is a UBEC or CCBEC for the MM ?

I haven't heard of these before, only what peole are telling me.
If this could help me cool things down it would be worth looking into.

Doese anyone have any links to what they are and where to get them form?
I am pretty interesetd to find out more about these.

A UBEC is a Ultimate Battery Eliminating Circuit (i think). A CCBEC is a Castle Creations version? I think that is right.

Ok, so how doese this UBEC work to lower the temps of the speed controler?
Is there any links to where you can get them from or is it something you make up yourself?

Most esc's have a Battery Eliminating Circuit in them that takes your main battery voltage and drops it down to 5 or 6v for your servos and receiver.
The type of bec's most controllers have in them are not very efficient and create heat. The higher your battery voltage the more heat they will create. They shouldn't create enough heat by themselves to make the esc very hot, but when the esc is already getting hot from powering the motor, a hot bec just adds to the problem.

Since the internal ones create more heat in the controller and can't be used with higher voltages, most of us use External BEC's. Because they work differently to most of the internal ones, they are more efficient, usually put out more power to the servos, and any heat they do create (they create less heat than the internal ones, because of the way they work) doesn't end up in your esc. The UBEC and CCBEC are just two of the different versions of external bec's. Using a rx pack will do the same thing, but most like the ebec's, because they are lighter and you don't have to recharge them.
Some of the new MGM's, like the 16018 have built in switching bec's (the same as the external ones) so you don't need to have an external bec.
UBEC (the one I'm using) http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...=6vubec&cat=21
CCBEC http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...stlebec&cat=21
I think the CCBEC is set to 5v from the factory, so if you want to change the voltage to 6v or whatever to get the most from your servos, you have to use the programing cable http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...phx-lnk&cat=21

Ok, Thanks for the info.
I guess this could be the problem then as the MM speed controler is getting that hot that you can't touch it.
Could be worth a try as they arn't all that expensive.