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dirt101 11.24.2007 07:57 PM

teknos electri clutch
 
I have an erevo with an emaxx tranny but I really want to go to the revo tranny. The tekno conversion looks nice, because it comes with everything I would need(well beside the tranny) but I dont really know if I like the idea of a clutch on an electric. Thats one of the reasons I like electric so much is the pop is always there, and you have instant wheelies. My question is do you have to run the electri clutch or can you still use mod 1 pinions with the tekno kit.

also If anyone wants to trade a revo tranny for an emaxx tranny with steel idlers and a RR slipper PLEASE pm me. I also have a steel axle to go along with it.

squeeforever 11.24.2007 08:29 PM

What you should do is get Mikes mount since the Tekno won't allow standard pinions and get the Tekno battery tray, ESC mount (I would make my own instead since its $25), the straps, and the rx box/throttle servo mount. Thats right about $140 with the ESC mount and $115 without.

Matthew_Armeni 11.24.2007 08:31 PM

The mod one pinions won't work, the Tekno motor mount sits too far back. You will still have wheelies with the clutch, it is a very nice system, plenty of "pop". But if you decide to go with a direct drive setup you can still get the other parts of the Tekno kit separately and use Mike's RC-Monster motor mount. Good luck:mdr:

dirt101 11.24.2007 08:53 PM

What do you guys think the results would be if I took the springs out of the clutch?

its me 11.25.2007 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirt101 (Post 131350)
What do you guys think the results would be if I took the springs out of the clutch?

If you did that then you might as well use mikes mount and a Mod 1 pinion.

Serum 11.25.2007 04:21 AM

A clutch and electric make no sense IMO.

It's taking out a turbo of a turbo diesel engine..

it produces heat which decreases runtime, it takes of the kicking edge in starttorque, it adds maintenance, it makes it more comparable with nitro in terms of drive-style.

not saying it won't be fun to drive

starscream 11.25.2007 05:24 AM

I custom made one of these for my Losi 8 because the ESC I was using could not handle the amp draw needed for startups. The smaller motor/esc performed very well and felt and performed "like" a nitro. I removed the clutch springs and used 4 clutch shoes for maximium grip/engagement. I wouldn't neccessarily recommend this unless you are trying to reduce cogging, reduce the amps needed during startup, or attempting to reduce the wear on metal to metal pinion/spur gears.

Serum 11.25.2007 05:31 AM

Yeah, i can imagine it would reduce startup power. but this also means it accelerates less quick (not saying you need the full power to accelerate)

starscream 11.25.2007 05:56 AM

The electric clutch felt just like I was driving a nitro. Its rather smooth really but quite loud I must say. Between the metal gears and the clutch shoes grabbing the bell, it was scratch/clang city with a spark every now and then. Thats what you get with poorly centered gears... :oops:

I would say that the speed off the line is most effected by the clutch but once the vehicle reaches a "coast" speed, take off power is right there when needed. With the clutch springs removed, the startup speed was still faster than the nitro's.

It was a fun project but I like direct drive transmissions better.

dirt101 11.25.2007 09:10 AM

I think im going to go for mikes mount and all the rest tekno stuff like you guys suggested. Besides the esc mount, because I already have a mount(I mounted my esc to my emaxx tranny)

at tekno I came up to 53.80
and at mikes store I came up to 84

thats with 2 mod 1 pinions. which 2 should I get(I run an 8/10xl on a 10.5lb truck. I want to get about 38-40 with the 8xl and about 35 with the 10xl)I run 4s of true rc 6400mah

I usaully run the 8xl but when it gets hot I run the 10xl to help my MM and the feigao.

On another note will the 10xl run on 5s? and I wouldnt do that to my MM but my bk 9920 just smoked but I think I might beable to fix it.

dirt101 11.25.2007 01:28 PM

I went ahead and ordered my stuff and I went with a 17t pinon for my 10xl. Does that sound about right on 4s?

I still need a revo tranny but im looking around ebay. I would really like to find someone else doing a revo converion that wants an emaxx tranny because that would work out perfect for both of us.

jnev 11.25.2007 05:12 PM

Try out this speed calculator to figure out the gearing you need:
http://www.scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/_top_speed.html

dirt101 11.25.2007 05:23 PM

it puts me at around 30-35 depending on my spur gear(at nominal voltage) but thats without tire balloonig.

I really think thats pretty accurate without the tire ballooning because of the voltage drop.

better than my old setup that pulled up 23mph on the calculator. just doesnt seem right but I will belive anything. but if my revo was going 23 my 7700k/v rustler must only go like 35. IDK and really IDC because they are both fun.

Im just tired of shifting with my mx3 radio because the 3rd channel is in a horrible spot(its on top of the radio)and I have heard that the revo tranny is stronger but the emaxx tranny never gave me trouble. Its my diffs that do that. maybe its was my low gearing(15/66)

Matthew_Armeni 11.26.2007 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starscream (Post 131437)
I custom made one of these for my Losi 8 because the ESC I was using could not handle the amp draw needed for startups. The smaller motor/esc performed very well and felt and performed "like" a nitro. I removed the clutch springs and used 4 clutch shoes for maximium grip/engagement. I wouldn't neccessarily recommend this unless you are trying to reduce cogging, reduce the amps needed during startup, or attempting to reduce the wear on metal to metal pinion/spur gears.

Quote:

Originally Posted by starscream (Post 131443)
The electric clutch felt just like I was driving a nitro. Its rather smooth really but quite loud I must say. Between the metal gears and the clutch shoes grabbing the bell, it was scratch/clang city with a spark every now and then. Thats what you get with poorly centered gears... :oops:

I would say that the speed off the line is most effected by the clutch but once the vehicle reaches a "coast" speed, take off power is right there when needed. With the clutch springs removed, the startup speed was still faster than the nitro's.

It was a fun project but I like direct drive transmissions better.

What flywheel clutch setup were you using? I used the stock Revo setup and once I had geared correctly I had plenty of punch off the line with my 8ight. I was using a larger motor then you were so that could have also helped. And I'm guessing all the scratch/clang came from badly centerred mesh like you said, not the clutch.


Quote:

Originally Posted by dirt101 (Post 131529)
it puts me at around 30-35 depending on my spur gear(at nominal voltage) but thats without tire balloonig.

I really think thats pretty accurate without the tire ballooning because of the voltage drop.

better than my old setup that pulled up 23mph on the calculator. just doesnt seem right but I will belive anything. but if my revo was going 23 my 7700k/v rustler must only go like 35. IDK and really IDC because they are both fun.

Im just tired of shifting with my mx3 radio because the 3rd channel is in a horrible spot(its on top of the radio)and I have heard that the revo tranny is stronger but the emaxx tranny never gave me trouble. Its my diffs that do that. maybe its was my low gearing(15/66)

I run a 9XL on 4S, geared 18/36, it's plenty fast for me. You may want to go to a 34 spur and possibly use the wide ratio 2nd gear for more speed, if you need it. Are you keeping it as a 2-speed?

mabu 11.26.2007 02:04 PM

I gonna use a 8XL on 4s like teknorc suggested. I hope it will not go too hot :angel:

Matthew_Armeni 11.26.2007 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mabu (Post 131684)
I gonna use a 8XL on 4s like teknorc suggested. I hope it will not go too hot :angel:

Well the motor's gonna get hot, it's a fiego:lol: But seriously, everything should stay pretty cool, but the motor will heat up. I suggest Mikes motor heatsink clamp, it's pretty awesome and fits with the Tekno mount. And if you're really worried about temps, just buy some fans and put them on the motor and ESC.

mabu 11.26.2007 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew_Armeni (Post 131689)
Well the motor's gonna get hot, it's a fiego:lol: But seriously, everything should stay pretty cool, but the motor will heat up. I suggest Mikes motor heatsink clamp, it's pretty awesome and fits with the Tekno mount. And if you're really worried about temps, just buy some fans and put them on the motor and ESC.

I know - i already run a 8L in my EMaxx ... it gets hot all the time.
I already ordered a motor heatsink clamp :)
Well i read that the maximum length with the tekno mount is 74mm, the length using the heatsink is about 76mm :whistle:

Matthew_Armeni 11.26.2007 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mabu (Post 131695)
I know - i already run a 8L in my EMaxx ... it gets hot all the time.
I already ordered a motor heatsink clamp :)
Well i read that the maximum length with the tekno mount is 74mm, the length using the heatsink is about 76mm :whistle:

Trust me it fits, it's what I am currently running. You just can't run the motor in the low cg mount setup. By the way, are you running the extended rear a-arms?

dirt101 11.26.2007 09:43 PM

I found a guy thats going to run a twin brushed setup(stock emaxx stuff) and he is going to trade me a revo 3.3 tranny with an FOC already installed for my emaxx tranny with RR slipper and steel idlers. Im also going to send him the axles I was using, and some battery trays becuase I wont use them anymore. works out great for the both of us. I should have my revo on the road by saturday and its basically going to be a new revo compared to what im used to.

in the last week I have ordered or traded for:
3.3 chasis and all needed accesories
3.3 crowd pleaser
revo tranny
jd carbon stuff all around
10xl
badlands on black 1/2 offseet wheels.
extended wheelbase arms


I cant wait. I wouldnt have dared to take the erevo on the track before but I hope all of those things will help it out. the mechanical brakes will definatly help out alot. I wont have alot of top end with the 10xl but thats fine for the bashing I do, and my track is very twisty and tight.

dirt101 11.26.2007 09:47 PM

my 8xl didnt have any serious heat problems, but it would occasionally overheat. Really I got the 10xl to save my rustler's MM, and of course I love runtime.

mabu 11.27.2007 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew_Armeni (Post 131733)
Trust me it fits, it's what I am currently running. You just can't run the motor in the low cg mount setup. By the way, are you running the extended rear a-arms?

No, my used revo had rpm arms ...

dirt101 11.29.2007 04:21 PM

I finally got all my stuff. had to steal axles from other trucks, a differential, and a receiver pack but I did get it running. The thing I know for sure Im happy about is the weight. with talons my truck has an rtr weight of 10.5lbs. with 2 true rc 6400mah 2s and a receiver pack. the truck alone weighs 8.6 so im very happy. still havent put my badlands together, but im hoping they are lighter than my talons.

the 10xl turns SOOOO SLLOWWW but runs ice cold. well I think I have only run the truck for about 5 minutes and for some reason it will vear off to one side, and if I change thet trim it will vear to the other side. I cant find a good median. I also popped a pivot ball out and I have no idea how I was just driving around and I came back and the tire was all sagged over. then the slipper nut came off(it was just a wheel nut with some washers, because I still have to get the revo slipper.) I cant get the front end up at all with the talons. it is so long.

the rc-monster heatsink is A LOT nicer than I thought it was going to be, and I definatly recomend it.


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