To be or not to be, The brushless wars

[team3six]

Well, I have been using Castle Creations for a long time and my dedication to them is pretty good, but I am never tied to one maker. As when I first started racing. My ties were to Reedy (LRP), then Novak for the power systems. See, I feel that every now and then a change of arms has to be made and a new voice must be heard. I totally respect castle and am really intrested in what their MMM will do regardless of when it's release time is. Mamba has always been good systems and with time comes the working out of the bugs. But that is technology! I doubt your computers have ever missed an update from Microsoft or Apple. But then after many years beaten and buried. Out of the dust comes the once great TEKIN. Many many years ago I had used TEKIN and really never hated them, Didnt like them either. But it seems that like most things. Time has a way of working out the problems and renewing the fire that all dragons breath. The Monster brushless system they are introducing seems to be something else and not many people are talking about it. My thoughts are they are very proud of their products and are aiming high to impress the monster crowd. Novak for some reason would had been my second choice of entering the ring of fire, but all I see is a ring of smoke poping out their tiny brains, and what do they bring to the table? Conversion kits that have no real inginuity to them! At least Reedy is making a come back by bringing a 5400 lipo. Maybe the sister company (LRP) will break out of their shell and release a MT brushless system. My final thoughts. Well No matter how you slice it mamba is making the best descision ever by incorpeating the ESC with one of the best motor manufacturers out there. I know there are a few others that match the design, technology, and unsurpassed performance. Nue motors are a force to be reckoned with and this ESC from Castle should be the cats meow with a price tag that screams backorder, backorder, backorder. This can only mean one thing to me. Look out for skyrocket ebay prices that hit the HPI market when they released the Grave Robber body. Prepare for a new era boys and girls. I feel a whirlwind will come and the remains of nitro engines resting in a mound that once was a fuelie RC heaven. R.I.P Nitro, Rest in peace.

[MTBikerTim]

Well said. There will be far too many people too stubborn to give up nitro though so it will live on for a long time yet. The motor and esc choice is going to become a lot easier now. I still think batteries are a pain though. Hopefully Lipo prices come down and it would be nice if there was some sort of standard.

[team3six]

In a way I am right there with you on the Lipo prices. But on the second hand. Keeping them expensive make you realize which ones are worth a crap and which ones are crap.

It the Monster Max turns out to be as bad ass as it sounds, it will be a short war IMHO!

As this revolution grows and becomes more popular, I think you'll start to see more and more companies get involved and that competition will drive prices down!

[JERRY2KONE]

It is already happening. Novak has had a nice ride with their systems because they were offering half decent stuff for good prices, along with CC's MM without much compition in the $300 price range. With CC finally throwing the MMM into the ring it is really going to make Novak and the rest of them jump through hoops to regain their share of the business. I am willing to bet that soon there will be several Monster systems on the open market to choose from including the Chinese knock off stuff once they get a hold of the technology as well. If the MMM comes out next month, Novak, Tekin, and the rest will not be far behind. THAT is when the prices will begin to fall in our favor.

[skellyo]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

If the MMM comes out next month, Novak, Tekin, and the rest will not be far behind.

NovakTwo has already stated on here that they are working on a 6S controller and new motor winds. They also have a 5mm rotor shaft option for the motors now too.

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...3&postcount=14
http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...1&postcount=20

[DrKnow65]

You really think that Novak is going to offer a 6S controller with an efficient motor for $300 ????? I don't.

That's why Castle is going to be everywhere, and Novak will be hanging out with the sponsored drivers who don't have to pay the asking price for novak's stuff... The rest of their inventory (that's not collecting dust) will go to the kids who are way outside the loop.

I'm just looking forward to when Castle has the cash to buy ROAR out from under Novak's thumb :)

Sorry to come off soooo negative, just urks me that novak's 5 year old esc's still have the same sticker shock as when they were "top of the line".

[ClodMaxx]

Originally Posted by team3six

In a way I am right there with you on the Lipo prices. But on the second hand. Keeping them expensive make you realize which ones are worth a crap and which ones are crap.

that seems like it would be logical, except look at the ni-mh market over the past few years. it's one of the most dishonest markets out there for r/c. a lot of the most expensive packs/companies are some of the worst quality. basically, the $150 dual packs (for the maxx, as an example) have about the same build quality as the $30 paper weight packs you can find on feebay. just because they use brand name cells doesn't mean they're worth anywhere close to the price being asked.

lipo seems to be the same way - at least, the same company that sold the garbage ni-mh packs for $150 are now selling boat loads of lipos that apparently don't hold up to the specs given, but it seems to be more well-known which lipos are good and which ones are not so good... and all within the same price bracket.

[lincpimp]

I agree with you clod. Plus people are buying lipos and running them no where near their ratings. Suddenly these people are experts and say how great their purchases are. Any lipo performs well when it is runing at 1/4-1/3 of its rating. Its like putting a 10000mah lipo in a mini t and then saying how great it is. Of couse it is only pushing out 15 amps, it should be amazing. I hate "internet experts", I have purchased about 4 grand worth of lipos and am still learning about lipos and getting a good feel for what is worth it and what is overrated.

I do find the humor of the crappy nimh packs. Even the best nimh packs I have seen and used are not as good as a 12c 3600mah polyrc lipo that I paid 30 bucks for. But nimh packs still carry ridiculous prices, just like the 5yr old novak escs!

[suicideneil]

At least when I eventually loose the HvMaxx system I will be able to get back about $200 for it- the kids love 'em and will happily pay a high price. You are right about the prices though, they should really have dropped down alot lower by now- a new HvMaxx system costs about £250/ $500 in the UK.... ouch. Im seriously tempted to get an MM and Feigao or mega motor, but I wanna see what else is just around the corner too.... gah, I hate that.

[johnrobholmes]

I wish Nimh would die or move back 1000mah in time.

the MMM will change the brushless market, for sure. The Sidewinder already did for the smaller cars.