RC Pro finally gets it

[crazyjr]

They reworked the Mt class into an extreme class, with seemingly no battery voltage limit, at least it doen't mention one. There are two new classes on the list, 1/8 E-buggy and 1/8 E-arena truck (truggy) Both have this in the rules

In the RC Pro Rules for E-Buggy and Truggy
Motor – Brushless no limitation. Sensored or sensorless.

Batteries – 4S, 5S or 6S lipo. No MAH limit. Batteries must be in good physical shape no cut, damaged or swollen pack allowed. Hard cases not required. Batteries must be secured properly in the vehicle, strapped or clamped into place before the event begins.

Nice to see they are loosening up, I know some would like to see higher Voltages, but its a start. This gives me all the motivation to convert my Losi 8T truggy to electric and fix up my G2R for the race wars. I plan to send an Email and ask for specific voltage for MT (extreme) and will report back on what i find.


edit; I just heard back from Carlton Epps Of RC Pro. Here was my question and his answer

Is there a max voltage on the class? There are for the E-1/8 buggy and E-1/8 arena truck (max 6s lipo), Will this be the same for the MT class?thanks

his answer
The max 6S is specific for the 1/8 buggy there are no size limitations for the Monster Truck class.


this will make things intresting in the MT class

[George16]

That's great news. This will greatly increased the demand for 1/8 scale ESCs and better batteries. Good for us and better when the prices come down due to competition.

Novak is probably kicking themselves in the ass for not joining the sensorless bandwagon earlier .

[BL_RV0]

Maybe. They have to join the "good motor bandwagon" before they can go to sensorless, though.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by George16

Novak is probably kicking themselves in the ass for not joining the sensorless bandwagon earlier .

Novak has been extra quiet lately.

Has to hurt though that no major manufacturer features the HV in their electric vehicles yet CC scored probably two of the biggest possible deals out there with the Revo and Savage. I always thought and still believe Novak's arrogance is what is holding them back, just like the big 3.

[macr0w]

Novak is going to have to come out with a new motor and speed control if they want to compete in 1/8th scale electric.

[crazyjr]

Originally Posted by macr0w

Novak is going to have to come out with a new motor and speed control if they want to compete in 1/8th scale electric.

I don't think so, I have run Novak hv (4400), they were nice. I think the Novak might have an advantage, smaller rotor, sensored, possibly lighter weight. I love my neu/quark combo, but the novak might be better on dirt, just because they are less torquey and better mimick a nitro engine as far as powerband. That's what i remember about the novak i had, With the lipo cut-off they can now compete.

that said, its going to be an intresting year

[E-Revonut]

Originally Posted by crazyjr

I don't think so, I have run Novak hv (4400), they were nice. I think the Novak might have an advantage, smaller rotor, sensored, possibly lighter weight. I love my neu/quark combo, but the novak might be better on dirt, just because they are less torquey and better mimick a nitro engine as far as powerband. That's what i remember about the novak i had, With the lipo cut-off they can now compete.

that said, its going to be an intresting year

I kinda agree with this. As much as I love my MMM/TeknoNeu the Novak HV motors aren't that horrible. The smaller rotor and less torque is a little easier to control on dirt. If it came down to being limited to 4s for racing I would def consider one of their motors, run it without the sensor with my MMM. The HV esc on the other hand is the weak link!

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by crazyjr

but the novak might be better on dirt, just because they are less torquey and better mimick a nitro engine as far as powerband.

Was looking back and although I have never used a quark, I always have heard good things about their power delivery. However I think some of the advantages that can be brought via the Novak HV can also be had via the MMM/MM without the disadvantages of the Novak system. With the ability to change so many parameters of the MMM in regards to start up, timing, braking percentages, throttle curve, and braking curbve, I think it is fairly easy to come up with an optimum setting for each situation. I can personally testify to the smooth startup of the CC firmware in the new MMM and MM and find it every bit as smooth as any of the Novak's I tried.

Keep in mind I am not dogging you for using the Novak, I am only criticising what I believe are faults of Novak as a corporation. I think eveyrone should use what ever suits them best and/or they like the best.

[skellyo]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

Novak has been extra quiet lately.

Has to hurt though that no major manufacturer features the HV in their electric vehicles yet CC scored probably two of the biggest possible deals out there with the Revo and Savage. I always thought and still believe Novak's arrogance is what is holding them back, just like the big 3.

I agree. Not only has Castle scored with the BL E-Revo and Savage Flux, they already had a bit of marketshare in the RTR 1/10th market with the smaller Flux (Sidewinder) in some of HPI's other vehicles. I'm not sure that Novak has a system in any RTR vehicle these days, brushed or brushless.

[BL_RV0]

They do make Traxxas's brushed ESCs i think.

[skellyo]

Originally Posted by BL_RV0

They do make Traxxas's brushed ESCs i think.

Nope. The XL-5 and EVX2 are both manufactured by Traxxas.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by BL_RV0

They do make Traxxas's brushed ESCs i think.

I always find it funny how everyone thinks Traxxas is so stuck to Novak. The truth is the only ESC ever made by Novak for Traxxas was the original EVX which was serviced and warrantied by Traxxas. For some reason though everyone thinks Traxxas has a deep relationship with Novak.

I remember specifically people swearing and flaming me when I suggested Traxxas would not use Novak for their brushless endeavor's but low and behold, they don't.

Novak has several things against them in my opinion which all derive from arrogance:

1. The technology they offer is typically old and improvements are slow to come out
2. Novak's prices are too high on the products they offer
3. Novak's CS is no where near the level they used to have
4. Novak refuses to follow the market and have good forward looking planning for what they offer
5. Novak has failed to use it's enormous influence on ROAR to forsee and improve the market, it's a very short sited business strategy setup only to capitalize on today with no consideration of tomorrow.

Racing is a small percentage of the hobby world and even racer's will only sit around and be held back so long. Bashing and sport drive's the RC market today.

[rootar]

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...ght=pro+series


little late but not much, Brad and i posted about the new rules the other day and nobody said anything......

[BL_RV0]

Ohh... That's what that was.
Off topic (sort of)- I can just imagine aqwut rolling up to one of these races with a GST on 24S.

[George16]

Originally Posted by BL_RV0

Ohh... That's what that was.
Off topic (sort of)- I can just imagine aqwut rolling up to one of these races with a GST on 24S.

That would be fun to watch .