Speed Passion VS Mamba Monster - RC-Monster Forums

rcmaxx90 · **Speed Passion VS Mamba Monster -** 03.04.2009, 12:28 AM

what system is better for 8th scale conversion for power and speed.

killermmn · 03.04.2009, 01:23 AM

monster mamba by a mile!

lutach · 03.04.2009, 02:40 PM

Mamba Monster and here is why.

The Speed Passion is the same version of the Hobbywing Mike now sells and Speed Passion wants something liek $169 for thier version which is exactly the same, but has some funny looking aluminum crap around it plus it is only for 4S lipos. Now the Mamba Monster handles 6S lipos and is made in the US that is why not only Castle, but Tekin has the upper hand.

jzemaxx · 03.04.2009, 04:21 PM

I agree with Lutach. If your looking to compare ESC's compare the Hobbywing 150A 6S controller vs the MMM. Now that would be a good comparison. I have both here and truth be known the HW150A looks to be a bad sucker....though a little larger then the MMM.

marcus · 03.04.2009, 05:10 PM

Much like MS Windows on the PC, Castle has the mainstream ESC market by the throat.
However, this isn't due to mindless monopoly, it's because Castle simply do the best job and make the best gear.

While it could be argued that other ESC's might have more current handling, or quicker response or whatever but it cannot be disputed that the whole Castle package is overwhelmingly superior. From the PC hookup [out the box] thru support and to availability, Castle ARE the masters right now.

It's interesting to see other ESC's come out now and then but for the most part they are a poor second to the real thing. I read these new reviews and then look over fondly at the MMM's sitting in my fleet with a warm fuzzy feeling.

Do I want to save a few bucks but have something I have to return to Hong Kong for [possible] repair, or have to use some gimpy programming card or, God forbid, go back to the dark ages and program with the transmitter - or do i want to pay the price and get a device which works, is PC programmable withough spending extra dough and be able to send it back to base for repair............. hmmmmmm..........

killajb · 06:44 PM

+1 on comments from Marcus

I got into a debate on another forum regarding the Speed Passion 1/8 system. The supporting arugument was that 4s is "the standard" now. Also, "why would anyone want to run 6s anyway?" was another comeback. So for 6s capability : Advantage Castle

Obviously we all want reliability in an electric conversion first and foremost. Higher voltage setups allow for lower current draw for the same given power output (ie. more efficient).

After reaping gobs of power from brushless/lipo at will, I think the second matter of importance is the ability to control this power and put it to good use. Castle offers this ability with the Castle Link. Speed Passion is supposed to run in Hybrid-Mode, where it starts out as a sensored system and can change to sensorless.. If that's the case, then it will be interesting to see how this works out. I'll be easy and call this EVEN, giving Speed Passion the benefit of the doubt with this hybrid mode thing.

Lastly, with any system there's a chance of failure or heaven forbid.. abuse. That's where customer support comes in. I haven't worked with anyone from Speed Passion yet, but regardless all they can ever do is match Castle in this category. Hands down, CC has the best customer service I've seen out there. Advantage: Castle

Price would be a bonus point I guess.. We all want to save a few bucks. And the MMM can be had for a bit less than Speed Passion at this point. So.. bonus:Castle

lincpimp · 05.05.2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by killajb

"why would anyone want to run 6s anyway?" was another comeback.

Sounds like you were arguing with Jason from maxamps...

starscream · 05.06.2009, 05:49 AM

Wow, Do you guys work for Castle or what?
Has anyone here actually owned or run the Speed Passion Esc? If not, then your opinion doesn't hold much water...

I've owned MANY ESC's including the Novak HV, MMM and the Speed Passion ESC's.

The Speed Passion is my favorite so far. This Esc is provided by a US distributor so you do NOT have to send it to China for repairs. It comes with a hand held program module with LCD display and can be programed and updated via the PC just like the MMM or the RX8. The SP Esc handles 4S like nobodies business and will run sensored OR sensorless motors.

My 2 cents... the Speed Passion Esc has more features than any other Esc on the market today so it's the best bang for your buck for 4S racing.

lutach · 05.06.2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by starscream

Wow, Do you guys work for Castle or what?
Has anyone here actually owned or run the Speed Passion Esc? If not, then your opinion doesn't hold much water...

I've owned MANY ESC's including the Novak HV, MMM and the Speed Passion ESC's.

The Speed Passion is my favorite so far. This Esc is provided by a US distributor so you do NOT have to send it to China for repairs. It comes with a hand held program module with LCD display and can be programed and updated via the PC just like the MMM or the RX8. The SP Esc handles 4S like nobodies business and will run sensored OR sensorless motors.

My 2 cents... the Speed Passion Esc has more features than any other Esc on the market today so it's the best bang for your buck for 4S racing.

The best bang for your buck would be the manufacturers version, the Hobbywing 80A 4S, so basically you just wasted some $$$, but it's your money. The 150A 6S version is another option and it still is cheaper then the Speed Passion branded 4S only ESC. The RX8, MMM and the Hobbywing 150A 6S will also handle 4S lipos. Now the repair thing, even though Speed Pasion is distributed in the US and like you said the ESC doesn't need to be sent to China by the consumer, but all the defective ESC still goes back to China for repair or replacement.

starscream · 05.06.2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lutach

The best bang for your buck would be the manufacturers version, the Hobbywing 80A 4S, so basically you just wasted some $$$, but it's your money. The 150A 6S version is another option and it still is cheaper then the Speed Passion branded 4S only ESC. The RX8, MMM and the Hobbywing 150A 6S will also handle 4S lipos. Now the repair thing, even though Speed Pasion is distributed in the US and like you said the ESC doesn't need to be sent to China by the consumer, but all the defective ESC still goes back to China for repair or replacement.

Let's compare apples to apples. The 80A "Manufacturers version" doesn't have the same specs as the SP Esc and it doesn't come with the LCD programer. I'd rather spend some extra money and not have to deal with sending repairs to China and I "feel" better knowing I'm dealing with a US dealer who will take care of warranties. With that said, the SP Esc is a better bang for your buck in my book. If you want to roll the dice and deal with China, bye all means have at it.

SpEEdyBL · 03.04.2009, 06:45 PM

And the speed passion motors are the same size, same kv per wind as novak motors. Go figure.

Arct1k · 11:35 PM

i have the speed passion at the moment for testing with the 2100kv sensored motor... i'll provide some feedback in due course...

BUT i do think that it does have some pros over the mmm and would be suitable for certain 1.8 conversions.

ps i'm a castle fan - 5mmm combos, 6mm at last count...

Cain · 05.05.2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Arct1k

i have the speed passion at the moment for testing with the 2100kv sensored motor... i'll provide some feedback in due course...

BUT i do think that it does have some pros over the mmm and would be suitable for certain 1.8 conversions.

ps i'm a castle fan - 5mmm combos, 6mm at last count...

so whats the verdict?

Cain · 05.06.2009, 03:18 PM

starscream: Can you describe what you saw performance wise that was different between the Speedpassion ESC and the Castle MMM . I would like to also know anything you have seen as a comparison between the two like durability, etc. as well as how similar the speedpassion 2200Kv motor performs compared to the Castle 2200Kv?

starscream · 05.06.2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cain

starscream: Can you describe what you saw performance wise that was different between the Speedpassion ESC and the Castle MMM . I would like to also know anything you have seen as a comparison between the two like durability, etc. as well as how similar the speedpassion 2200Kv motor performs compared to the Castle 2200Kv?

I've only run the Novak HV 7.5 motor with the SP Esc and its so smooth you could rock crawl with it. Try rock crawling with the MMM, not gonna work too well.
The SP has proved to be very durable thus far. The aluminum case wraps around the esc and can be mounted to your chassis. You could remove the aluminum case altogether if you want but I prefer to have the protection and mounting options. The SP Esc comes with a standard fan so its easy to replace if needed. Need to replace the hobbywing fan?... you'll most likely have to get a replacement straight from China.

The SP Esc runs very cool and has gobs of power available. It is just as programmable as the MMM and the hand held programmer is just frosting on the cake. The ability to run sensored motors and the dual mode feature was really the selling point for me. If you want to race a sensored 4S motor, this ESC will do the trick.