This forum my last hope?

[tommyheadleycox]

Greetings, one and all,

I'm posting here because the folks seem genuinely helpful. I need a pinion gear. It's not for a truck but a Maxon coreless motor to go in a big German train I have. I've done a lot of research, but haven't found a match. I'm hoping that someone here might tell me how to proceed. Here's the info about the needed gear:

10 tooth
2 mm bore
7 mm outside diameter (might have once been 7.5- it's now worn.)
5 mm inside diameter (base of teeth)
5 mm length

Detailed picture at:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28638959@N08/5303819296/

Thanks,
Tom Cox

PS: I have looked at dozens of vendor sites and found close matches. But I just don't know how to proceed. I know that it's a very dicey thing to try to replace a pinion and get good mesh. But I want to try. The engine has nostalgic value to me. Train forum folks haven't been able to help.

[Semi Pro]

we are and here you go

https://sdp-si.com/eStore/

i would need to know alot more about thr pinion you need to find you the right one, but if it can be found it will be at sdp-si

[tommyheadleycox]

Originally Posted by Semi Pro

we are and here you go

https://sdp-si.com/eStore/

i would need to know alot more about thr pinion you need to find you the right one, but if it can be found it will be at sdp-si

Many, many thanks. I can furnish whatever information you need about the pinion in question. BTW- it was installed on a beautiful 1970's vintage large scale German train. I sent the original motor with gear intact to a dealer of coreless motors. He said he'd pull the old gear off and put it on a new Maxon corelss motor for me. But he tore the old gear up really badly with his gear puller. It had meshed very smoothly and when I got it back, it just locked up.
I may have made a big mistake by trying to gently remove the burrs with a dremel. It meshed a bit better. But it's still not right. And I'm just at a loss on what to do next. Should I buy several gears that are close to this one and hope for the best?

I can furnish pictures of the pinion, pictures of the spur gear it meshes with, measurements, whatever is needed. I appreciate very much your help, believe me.

Thanks,
Tom

[tommyheadleycox]

Originally Posted by Semi Pro

we are and here you go

https://sdp-si.com/eStore/

i would need to know alot more about thr pinion you need to find you the right one, but if it can be found it will be at sdp-si

I just thought of something. Would it be of any help to scan and fax an EXACT 1:1 image of the gear? Accurate to .10 say.??

I also have taken a great many photos and measurements.

Thank you,
Tom

[BrianG]

10T @ 7mm diameter = 43.54p (Mod 0.58). Calculated from http://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/gear_calc.html

Not much help, but you can get an idea...

[tommyheadleycox]

Originally Posted by BrianG

10T @ 7mm diameter = 43.54p (Mod 0.58). Calculated from http://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/gear_calc.html

Not much help, but you can get an idea...

On the contrary, this is a huge help. The available literature was confusing on how to calculate the modulus. This url converter is a big help. I knew that the modulus was close to 0.6. But it's better to know that it's exactly 0.58. That's of course assuming the original diameter was 7 mm. But if it was 7.5mm, then I know that the modulus is 0.63. If I need to, and if they're available, I can order pinons in 0.58 and 0.63 modulus.

Again, many thanks,
Tom

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by tommyheadleycox

On the contrary, this is a huge help. The available literature was confusing on how to calculate the modulus. This url converter is a big help. I knew that the modulus was close to 0.6. But it's better to know that it's exactly 0.58. That's of course assuming the original diameter was 7 mm. But if it was 7.5mm, then I know that the modulus is 0.63. If I need to, and if they're available, I can order pinons in 0.58 and 0.63 modulus.

Again, many thanks,
Tom

Cool, glad it might help. Along with just the pitch/modulus, also pay attention to the tooth geometry (pressure angle), as there can be variation there even with identical pitch gears. I have a feeling a very large/detailed picture will be needed for sdp-si to make sure they provide the exact match.

[simplechamp]

Originally Posted by tommyheadleycox

On the contrary, this is a huge help. The available literature was confusing on how to calculate the modulus. This url converter is a big help. I knew that the modulus was close to 0.6. But it's better to know that it's exactly 0.58. That's of course assuming the original diameter was 7 mm. But if it was 7.5mm, then I know that the modulus is 0.63. If I need to, and if they're available, I can order pinons in 0.58 and 0.63 modulus.

Again, many thanks,
Tom

The Duratrax Vendetta 1/18 RC car uses Mod 0.6 pinions if I remember correctly, but I believe the stock bore is 2.3mm. Might be worth a try looking at those

[mistercrash]

Brian's website shows that if the gear was originally 7.2 mm then the pitch would be mod 0.6. That's 48 pitch isn't it? I think that might be it.

Maybe look in the slot cars area?
http://www.ncphobbies.com/arp-1/24-g.../arp4810strts/

Or could this fit?
http://store.rc4wd.com/10-Tooth-48-P...ear_p_597.html

Or maybe find something on ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Losi-Night-Crawl...item20b6214e1b

Originally Posted by BrianG

10T @ 7mm diameter = 43.54p (Mod 0.58). Calculated from http://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/gear_calc.html

Not much help, but you can get an idea...

Man I love scriptasylum. Brian you have done the RC community something that they will for ever be in debt to you for. Couldn't count the number of times I have used it and it just seems to get better with more features and calculations.

[magman]

Originally Posted by BIG-block

Man I love scriptasylum. Brian you have done the RC community something that they will for ever be in debt to you for. Couldn't count the number of times I have used it and it just seems to get better with more features and calculations.

+ 1 as well. I direct my friends to the link constantly when they have a question

[lincpimp]

sdp-si are very good. I have seen all kinds of gears there. Give them a call or send them an email and I am sure they will be able to help.

[tommyheadleycox]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

sdp-si are very good. I have seen all kinds of gears there. Give them a call or send them an email and I am sure they will be able to help.

Thank you very much for the recommendation. They contacted me and I've replied. I'm beginning to feel like there may be hope!

Regards,
Tom

[krunk]

It might also help if you had dimensions for the gear this pinion meshes with, if it is not too worn.

[lincpimp]

I would try a 48 pitch gear, there are 2 types of these, if memory serves me correctly. tamiya use a gear that is very close to 48p in most of their tourinc car line. It is slightly tighter pitch than regular american 48p. Not 2mm bore, but 2.3 (1/8").