Osama Bin Laden Dead

[Finnster]

Pres Obama just announced special forces killed OBL in Pakistan, not in the remote mtns, but in a compound not far from the nation's capital. Special forces were launched today and OBL was killed after a firefight. His body is in US custody.

Obama knew about the compound since Aug, after a renewed push for his capture was launched, and waited to execute the mission until they had gathered enough intel to execute the mission successfully.

Many congrats to the baddasses who carried out the mission, and all of our military, intelligence services, and govt officials who made accomplished this mission, and thoughts go out to all the families across the world who has suffered due this murderer.

[josh9mille]

The report i read online said he was actually killed last week. Pretty cool he is finally dead. I dont really think his death will slow down on the terrorist attepmts since he has lots of minions that will still do it.

[whitrzac]

I can't be the only on thinking that this is a bad thing....


What would happen if someone killed our leaders(weather you like them or not)? We would go to war with them...



*staying home with locked doors...

[Finnster]

Not what I heard, but details are stechy at this point. Things will get clear soon enough.

Also reported it was two teams of Seals that went into the compound (supposed pix here) on the ground. No Seals were killed, but they killed two messengers, one of OBL's sons (die MF'er!) a woman and OBL. He was supposedly shot in the head. They recovered intel materials as well.

One heli was damaged in the firefight and had to be scuttled.

Reports on the compound it was built in 2005(!) and was built w/ high walls, no TV or phone, and all trash was burned inside, so no information flowed out. Seen as strange considering its location in an affluent neighborhood. It can be found on Google Maps also....

Sooooo glad that POS is dead,thank you to all the bad ass seals that accomplished this mission,I've ha the honor of knowing 2 seals and can tell you: they are grade A badasses and are amazing at there jobs.

Now onto my rant,WHY DID THIS HAPPEN THE DAY BEFORE I HAVE TO BUY AMMO? I garauntee all the .223,7.62,and 12ga will be gone if I don't get there early!
Plus the oil companies are going to use this as an excuse to raise gas prices again,and Obama will probably be completely ok with that...

[PBO]

Hard to see how OBL being martyred is a good thing, it will just renew the enthusiasm of the loyal throng

[JERRY2KONE]

WASHINGTON – Osama bin Laden, the glowering mastermind behind the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that murdered thousands of Americans, was killed in an operation led by the United States, President Barack Obama said Sunday.

"Justice has been done," said the president in a dramatic late-night announcement at the White House.

A small team of Americans killed bin Laden in a firefight Sunday at a compound in Pakistan, the president said, and took custody of his remains. Americaj officials said they were being handled in accordance with Islamic tradition.

A jubilant crowd gathered outside the White House as word spread of bin Laden's death after a global manhunt that lasted nearly a decade.

Former President George W. Bush, who was in office on the day of the attacks, issued a written statement hailing bin Laden's death as a momentous achievement. "The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done," he said.

Obama said he ordered the operation after receiving undisclosed intelligence information. Senior administration officials said the terrorist mastermind was found inside a custom-built compound with two security gates. They said it appeared to hvae been constructed to harbor one high-value target and that for undisclosed reasons, officials became clear the hideout was bin Laden's.

Officials also said they believe the death puts al-Qaida on a path of decline that will be difficult to reverse, but there was no word on the whereabouts of bin Laden's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahri.

The stunning end to the world's most widely-watched manhunt came just months before the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Centers and Pentagon, orchestrated by bin Laden's al-Qaida organization, that killed more than 3,000 people.

[JERRY2KONE]

It does not matter how, why, where or when. The fact that he has finally meat his maker is all that matters. He received his just reward for all of the people he murdered over his lifetime. This will certainly depress, anger, and enrage all of the terror networks around the world. I would believe that there will be followup attacks and threats on any USA supporters as well as the USA itself. OBL is now with his 100 virgins wherever that might be thought to be. I would rather have seen him thrown into an American prison somewhere bunked with a bunch of freaks who would make him feel the pain of the American people through the loving methods of such surroundings. In any case he is dead.

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

It does not matter how, why, where or when. The fact that he has finally meat his maker is all that matters. He received his just reward for all of the people he murdered over his lifetime. This will certainly depress, anger, and enrage all of the terror networks around the world. I would believe that there will be followup attacks and threats on any USA supporters as well as the USA itself. OBL is now with his 100 virgins wherever that might be thought to be. I would rather have seen him thrown into an American prison somewhere bunked with a bunch of freaks who would make him feel the pain of the American people through the loving methods of such surroundings. In any case he is dead.

True enough, altho I'm really glad it wasn't by him blowing up in a missile strike, with only a few smoldering bits remaining, and scores going on to believe it was an American lie or conspiracy and he's still out there, in the mtns, plotting.

While no end could ever be painful enough for him, I'm glad he knew we were there in the end coming, he couldn't hide, and we were going to kill him. I'm glad he would feel the terror that his death was inescapable and imminent. No matter how committed a jihadi he was, he was still just a human and could not deny the fear. He had a gun and tried to fight back. He failed.
I'm confident he's not with any virgins. He's nowhere but in The Black, and billions are cheering.

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by PBO

Hard to see how OBL being martyred is a good thing, it will just renew the enthusiasm of the loyal throng

There may be some short term retaliation, but I think this is a start of a new era. The war in Afghan & vs Al-Queso, and really the "post-9/11 era" could never be over until he was dead. I think we may see things change here now, and there were already suggestions the US was looking to declare victory and get out. We're at an expensive and useless stalemate anyway vs people who could never be a functioning country, much less free democracy in our lifetimes.

More so, the man was a force of evil and murder, the planet is better off without him. Besides 9/11, he has caused chaos, murder, war and the deaths of thousands across the globe. The devotion of his followers won't change, but their #'s are growing smaller. I think it will continue that way.

Thank god they got him before the 10th anv of 9/11. His hiding like a rat in a million dollar compound in a major Paki city the last few years kinda destroys the mythos of him as the austere hermit warrior wandering the lone mtns with his band of followers in in "armed resistence" seems rather shattered. Not as pathetic as Saddam's muddy mole hole, but not the epic ending that was expected.

Curious to how he could just be living in a major Paki city for years and be "unknown" to the Paki intelligence and army...

@bigsteel: I'm sure you'll be fine on ammo, and an American President has little power of world oil prices anyway. If anything blame the Chinese for buying a billion of everything, otoh they prob built your ammo too.. so... ;) The era of cheap oil was over years ago, just a world economic crisis put it on hold for a bit. Least its a sign things are getting better

[PBO]

Originally Posted by Finnster

There may be some short term retaliation, but I think this is a start of a new era. The war in Afghan & vs Al-Queso, and really the "post-9/11 era" could never be over until he was dead. I think we may see things change here now, and there were already suggestions the US was looking to declare victory and get out. We're at an expensive and useless stalemate anyway vs people who could never be a functioning country, much less free democracy in our lifetimes.

More so, the man was a force of evil and murder, the planet is better off without him. Besides 9/11, he has caused chaos, murder, war and the deaths of thousands across the globe. The devotion of his followers won't change, but their #'s are growing smaller. I think it will continue that way.

Thank god they got him before the 10th anv of 9/11. His hiding like a rat in a million dollar compound in a major Paki city the last few years kinda destroys the mythos of him as the austere hermit warrior wandering the lone mtns with his band of followers in in "armed resistence" seems rather shattered. Not as pathetic as Saddam's muddy mole hole, but not the epic ending that was expected.

Curious to how he could just be living in a major Paki city for years and be "unknown" to the Paki intelligence and army...

@bigsteel: I'm sure you'll be fine on ammo, and an American President has little power of world oil prices anyway. If anything blame the Chinese for buying a billion of everything, otoh they prob built your ammo too.. so... ;) The era of cheap oil was over years ago, just a world economic crisis put it on hold for a bit. Least its a sign things are getting better

I've been on this planet for a few years now & if there's one thing I've learned; situations like this don't fade away peacefully, they usually erupt like a volcano. Wars aren't quick things...

This issue seems to enrage Americans so easily (not you personally) which makes it hard to discuss objectively, so I'm not looking to go down that road, just to make a point or two

The war in Iraq was promised to be a quick & easy victory - it wasn't. The Vietnam & Korean wars were meant to be quick & easy - they weren't. The war on terror - same. I admire anybody who is optimistic but I believe the weight of history indicates that both the 'war' is far from over & that power vacuums usually signify further unrest

Considering that a reasonable person might ask "is the trophy killing of OBL worth what may follow?"

[fastbaja5b]

Originally Posted by PBO

I've been on this planet for a few years now & if there's one thing I've learned; situations like this don't fade away peacefully, they usually erupt like a volcano. Wars aren't quick things...

This issue seems to enrage Americans so easily (not you personally) which makes it hard to discuss objectively, so I'm not looking to go down that road, just to make a point or two

The war in Iraq was promised to be a quick & easy victory - it wasn't. The Vietnam & Korean wars were meant to be quick & easy - they weren't. The war on terror - same. I admire anybody who is optimistic but I believe the weight of history indicates that both the 'war' is far from over & that power vacuums usually signify further unrest

Considering that a reasonable person might ask "is the trophy killing of OBL worth what may follow?"

Most people in this world aren't intelligent enough to think this rationally however, the sheep mentality will kick in (It's started with those incessant "USA USA" chants), Obama's popularity was falling, to the point that Donald Trump thought he'd have a crack, now Obama is the PM who captured Bin Laden, recession or not, the American public will absolutely love him now.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by fastbaja5b

Most people in this world are sheep, Obama's popularity was falling, recession or not, the American public will absolutely love him now.

A quick edit

Agreed

Originally Posted by Finnster

I think it is important to see this in context of the sweeping changes and calls for freedom in the ME. The situation is chaotic, unpredictable and a little unsettling, but the old order was unstable and poisonous anyway and there is a real possibility for change for everyone's benefit. The removal of this force of murder, hatred and evil can only be a long term good imo. The ME will take decades and longer to reform, and there are still many bigger roadblocks, but I sincerely wish the trend to improve.

Let's hope you're right

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by PBO

I've been on this planet for a few years now & if there's one thing I've learned; situations like this don't fade away peacefully, they usually erupt like a volcano. Wars aren't quick things...

This issue seems to enrage Americans so easily (not you personally) which makes it hard to discuss objectively, so I'm not looking to go down that road, just to make a point or two

The war in Iraq was promised to be a quick & easy victory - it wasn't. The Vietnam & Korean wars were meant to be quick & easy - they weren't. The war on terror - same. I admire anybody who is optimistic but I believe the weight of history indicates that both the 'war' is far from over & that power vacuums usually signify further unrest

Considering that a reasonable person might ask "is the trophy killing of OBL worth what may follow?"

You are very right, wars and violence don't end things, and certainly not quickly. However I do think this was a pivotal point, and if the jihadi's were going to really do something, they would have already done it in the last decade. Not to mention the fact they are bumbling idiots. Let's face it, since 911, we've had a guy light his shoe on fire, and guy light his underwear and cock on fire, and a guy setting up a truck bomb w/ fairly inflammable propane cylinders, meanwhile leaving the keys to the getaway car locked inside. Not quite the deadly evil masterminds they are crackedup to be. Not to take them lightly, but not piss my pants about it either. Our guys are better and on vigil. They are doing a great job.

I think it is important to see this in context of the sweeping changes and calls for freedom in the ME. The situation is chaotic, unpredictable and a little unsettling, but the old order was unstable and poisonous anyway and there is a real possibility for change for everyone's benefit. The removal of this force of murder, hatred and evil can only be a long term good imo. The ME will take decades and longer to reform, and there are still many bigger roadblocks, but I sincerely wish the trend to improve.


@josh; I'm sure they will release them soon. Its the proof that will be demanded. Wonder what its going to take to clean him up a bit..but not too clean ya know.. ;) I'll be waiting too

[JERRY2KONE]

The significants of how long any of these wars has lasted when you look at the actual time line are mere blips on the radar screen for the existance of this planet. The religious wars of history used to last hundreds of years. The wars of today themselves were very short lived. The only part of any of these conflicts that lived on for many years is the security follow ups that eventually lead to peace due to changes in their own Gov's.

Look at the war with Japan in comparison. It was truly an awful encounter between Japan & the USA 60-70 years ago, and now we celebrate an alliance and friendship with Japan that is a very strong relationship. We went to the aid of South Korea to battle the North for many years, but when you look at this from a historical view it was a short lived war as well, that ended within a few years. The only real battle going on there now is the tirnatic control of their leader who keeps the entire nation of North Korea in the dark brainwashed to believe that everyone outside of the borders of the north are evil. At some point the people of North Korea will finally begin to see what is really going on and this too will end.

The war in Iraq was actually a very quick encounter that lasted a few years, but it will be the people of Iraq that will be able to open their eyes without fear and live a life of freedom. Libya is just another example of the same resolve. Eventually Gadaphi will die just like all the rest, and the people of that country will live in relief. War is ugly and always has been, but it is also necessary because of the beliefs of any nation, but more so the sad way that some leaders force their views and beliefs on its people. Morons like Gadaphi gather enough loyal followers who in most cases have very little to live for as human beings and would follow a dog if he could provide food and shelter for them. These idiots take over a region and call it their own, terrorizing the local inhabitants with fear and death. None of these fools last for very long in these times, and eventually the people will regain control.

I honestly believe that at some point in the history of the planet North Korea will resolve its own problems and open its borders just like everyone else has. Whether I will see this in my lifetime who knows, but eventually it will happen. Look at East & West Germany. Look at Russia. Look at North & South Vietnam. Some of us grew up watching these wars on the news with family members who died in each of these conflicts. Now we share vacations with these places. It has been one of the blessings in my life to be able to do things that we never believed would happen in our lifetimes. I have been to countries around the globe that used to be taboo just because of their local religions or Gov controls. I have walked on The Great Wall of China. I have walked the streets of Japan. I plan to visit Russia, Vietnam, and as many other countries as I am able during my life. Some of those places were enemies of our country for many years, but now are friends or allies of our nation. This too will be true of many other countries that are now not so fond of the USA.