Osama Bin Laden Dead

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by PBO

Hard to see how OBL being martyred is a good thing, it will just renew the enthusiasm of the loyal throng

There may be some short term retaliation, but I think this is a start of a new era. The war in Afghan & vs Al-Queso, and really the "post-9/11 era" could never be over until he was dead. I think we may see things change here now, and there were already suggestions the US was looking to declare victory and get out. We're at an expensive and useless stalemate anyway vs people who could never be a functioning country, much less free democracy in our lifetimes.

More so, the man was a force of evil and murder, the planet is better off without him. Besides 9/11, he has caused chaos, murder, war and the deaths of thousands across the globe. The devotion of his followers won't change, but their #'s are growing smaller. I think it will continue that way.

Thank god they got him before the 10th anv of 9/11. His hiding like a rat in a million dollar compound in a major Paki city the last few years kinda destroys the mythos of him as the austere hermit warrior wandering the lone mtns with his band of followers in in "armed resistence" seems rather shattered. Not as pathetic as Saddam's muddy mole hole, but not the epic ending that was expected.

Curious to how he could just be living in a major Paki city for years and be "unknown" to the Paki intelligence and army...

@bigsteel: I'm sure you'll be fine on ammo, and an American President has little power of world oil prices anyway. If anything blame the Chinese for buying a billion of everything, otoh they prob built your ammo too.. so... ;) The era of cheap oil was over years ago, just a world economic crisis put it on hold for a bit. Least its a sign things are getting better

[PBO]

Originally Posted by Finnster

There may be some short term retaliation, but I think this is a start of a new era. The war in Afghan & vs Al-Queso, and really the "post-9/11 era" could never be over until he was dead. I think we may see things change here now, and there were already suggestions the US was looking to declare victory and get out. We're at an expensive and useless stalemate anyway vs people who could never be a functioning country, much less free democracy in our lifetimes.

More so, the man was a force of evil and murder, the planet is better off without him. Besides 9/11, he has caused chaos, murder, war and the deaths of thousands across the globe. The devotion of his followers won't change, but their #'s are growing smaller. I think it will continue that way.

Thank god they got him before the 10th anv of 9/11. His hiding like a rat in a million dollar compound in a major Paki city the last few years kinda destroys the mythos of him as the austere hermit warrior wandering the lone mtns with his band of followers in in "armed resistence" seems rather shattered. Not as pathetic as Saddam's muddy mole hole, but not the epic ending that was expected.

Curious to how he could just be living in a major Paki city for years and be "unknown" to the Paki intelligence and army...

@bigsteel: I'm sure you'll be fine on ammo, and an American President has little power of world oil prices anyway. If anything blame the Chinese for buying a billion of everything, otoh they prob built your ammo too.. so... ;) The era of cheap oil was over years ago, just a world economic crisis put it on hold for a bit. Least its a sign things are getting better

I've been on this planet for a few years now & if there's one thing I've learned; situations like this don't fade away peacefully, they usually erupt like a volcano. Wars aren't quick things...

This issue seems to enrage Americans so easily (not you personally) which makes it hard to discuss objectively, so I'm not looking to go down that road, just to make a point or two

The war in Iraq was promised to be a quick & easy victory - it wasn't. The Vietnam & Korean wars were meant to be quick & easy - they weren't. The war on terror - same. I admire anybody who is optimistic but I believe the weight of history indicates that both the 'war' is far from over & that power vacuums usually signify further unrest

Considering that a reasonable person might ask "is the trophy killing of OBL worth what may follow?"

[fastbaja5b]

Originally Posted by PBO

I've been on this planet for a few years now & if there's one thing I've learned; situations like this don't fade away peacefully, they usually erupt like a volcano. Wars aren't quick things...

This issue seems to enrage Americans so easily (not you personally) which makes it hard to discuss objectively, so I'm not looking to go down that road, just to make a point or two

The war in Iraq was promised to be a quick & easy victory - it wasn't. The Vietnam & Korean wars were meant to be quick & easy - they weren't. The war on terror - same. I admire anybody who is optimistic but I believe the weight of history indicates that both the 'war' is far from over & that power vacuums usually signify further unrest

Considering that a reasonable person might ask "is the trophy killing of OBL worth what may follow?"

Most people in this world aren't intelligent enough to think this rationally however, the sheep mentality will kick in (It's started with those incessant "USA USA" chants), Obama's popularity was falling, to the point that Donald Trump thought he'd have a crack, now Obama is the PM who captured Bin Laden, recession or not, the American public will absolutely love him now.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by fastbaja5b

Most people in this world are sheep, Obama's popularity was falling, recession or not, the American public will absolutely love him now.

A quick edit

Agreed

Originally Posted by Finnster

I think it is important to see this in context of the sweeping changes and calls for freedom in the ME. The situation is chaotic, unpredictable and a little unsettling, but the old order was unstable and poisonous anyway and there is a real possibility for change for everyone's benefit. The removal of this force of murder, hatred and evil can only be a long term good imo. The ME will take decades and longer to reform, and there are still many bigger roadblocks, but I sincerely wish the trend to improve.

Let's hope you're right

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by PBO

I've been on this planet for a few years now & if there's one thing I've learned; situations like this don't fade away peacefully, they usually erupt like a volcano. Wars aren't quick things...

This issue seems to enrage Americans so easily (not you personally) which makes it hard to discuss objectively, so I'm not looking to go down that road, just to make a point or two

The war in Iraq was promised to be a quick & easy victory - it wasn't. The Vietnam & Korean wars were meant to be quick & easy - they weren't. The war on terror - same. I admire anybody who is optimistic but I believe the weight of history indicates that both the 'war' is far from over & that power vacuums usually signify further unrest

Considering that a reasonable person might ask "is the trophy killing of OBL worth what may follow?"

You are very right, wars and violence don't end things, and certainly not quickly. However I do think this was a pivotal point, and if the jihadi's were going to really do something, they would have already done it in the last decade. Not to mention the fact they are bumbling idiots. Let's face it, since 911, we've had a guy light his shoe on fire, and guy light his underwear and cock on fire, and a guy setting up a truck bomb w/ fairly inflammable propane cylinders, meanwhile leaving the keys to the getaway car locked inside. Not quite the deadly evil masterminds they are crackedup to be. Not to take them lightly, but not piss my pants about it either. Our guys are better and on vigil. They are doing a great job.

I think it is important to see this in context of the sweeping changes and calls for freedom in the ME. The situation is chaotic, unpredictable and a little unsettling, but the old order was unstable and poisonous anyway and there is a real possibility for change for everyone's benefit. The removal of this force of murder, hatred and evil can only be a long term good imo. The ME will take decades and longer to reform, and there are still many bigger roadblocks, but I sincerely wish the trend to improve.


@josh; I'm sure they will release them soon. Its the proof that will be demanded. Wonder what its going to take to clean him up a bit..but not too clean ya know.. ;) I'll be waiting too

[JERRY2KONE]

The significants of how long any of these wars has lasted when you look at the actual time line are mere blips on the radar screen for the existance of this planet. The religious wars of history used to last hundreds of years. The wars of today themselves were very short lived. The only part of any of these conflicts that lived on for many years is the security follow ups that eventually lead to peace due to changes in their own Gov's.

Look at the war with Japan in comparison. It was truly an awful encounter between Japan & the USA 60-70 years ago, and now we celebrate an alliance and friendship with Japan that is a very strong relationship. We went to the aid of South Korea to battle the North for many years, but when you look at this from a historical view it was a short lived war as well, that ended within a few years. The only real battle going on there now is the tirnatic control of their leader who keeps the entire nation of North Korea in the dark brainwashed to believe that everyone outside of the borders of the north are evil. At some point the people of North Korea will finally begin to see what is really going on and this too will end.

The war in Iraq was actually a very quick encounter that lasted a few years, but it will be the people of Iraq that will be able to open their eyes without fear and live a life of freedom. Libya is just another example of the same resolve. Eventually Gadaphi will die just like all the rest, and the people of that country will live in relief. War is ugly and always has been, but it is also necessary because of the beliefs of any nation, but more so the sad way that some leaders force their views and beliefs on its people. Morons like Gadaphi gather enough loyal followers who in most cases have very little to live for as human beings and would follow a dog if he could provide food and shelter for them. These idiots take over a region and call it their own, terrorizing the local inhabitants with fear and death. None of these fools last for very long in these times, and eventually the people will regain control.

I honestly believe that at some point in the history of the planet North Korea will resolve its own problems and open its borders just like everyone else has. Whether I will see this in my lifetime who knows, but eventually it will happen. Look at East & West Germany. Look at Russia. Look at North & South Vietnam. Some of us grew up watching these wars on the news with family members who died in each of these conflicts. Now we share vacations with these places. It has been one of the blessings in my life to be able to do things that we never believed would happen in our lifetimes. I have been to countries around the globe that used to be taboo just because of their local religions or Gov controls. I have walked on The Great Wall of China. I have walked the streets of Japan. I plan to visit Russia, Vietnam, and as many other countries as I am able during my life. Some of those places were enemies of our country for many years, but now are friends or allies of our nation. This too will be true of many other countries that are now not so fond of the USA.

[Dafni]

smoke and mirrors!

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

OBL is now with his 100 virgins wherever that might be thought to be.

I wonder if their "bible" (or whatever it is called) specifies female virgins? It would be fitting if he was met with 100 eager, large, and well-endowed male virgins... and him on the receiving end!

Originally Posted by josh9mille

I kinda wish we could have captured him alive, death is too easy of a punishment for a POS like him. It would have been great if we could have tortured the hell out of him, but make sure he doesnt die just so we could torture him over and over again untill he finally dies of natural causes.

Can't do that; it's "inhumane". All the bible-thumpers and bleeding heart liberals would never let that happen. Personally, I agree; let the punishment fit the crime; an eye for an eye if you will.