Inside my full scale AC brushless motor

[zeropointbug]

BrianG, you actually DO need long range for high power, simply to get the power from a big enough battery.
It's not about a percentage of the max power for highway cruising, it's a specific Wh/mile based on rolling resistance/aerodynamics and to a certain extent, vehicle mass... with an educated guess on Wh/mile for the Ultimate Aero, I would say 220Wh/mile at 65 - 70mph, 220Wh x 65mph = 14,000 watts. 220Wh/mile x 200 miles range = 44,000kwh pack... assuming they use a voltage around 400 volts, 44,000kwh / 400 volts = 110 Ah. This is by not means difficult to do in a super car, this would be roughly 500 - 600lb. battery pack with today's lipo cells.


Lutach, that MIT battery tech was sold to two companies, one being A123, and the other was not stated, but most likely to this Belgium company you talk about.

I would love for you to post all this technology here so I can see it, rather than vaporware.

It's not simply about SSC bull$%&$*#! everyone here, from what they have said, that is WAY past the BS stage, it's a JOKE. So like I said before, it's either all a big sick joke, with the gun pointed at themselves... OR they have harnessed some exotic technology to make their claims real. Everyone laughed at them a few years ago when they said they would make the worlds fastest car, but look at them, they said they would do something, and then they actually went and did exactly what they said they would do, and then some.

Who makes these 200C batteries you speak of? I would love to know.

[zeropointbug]

Brian, what car you referring to when you said use a turbine generator? It would be nice heck yah, but it would be loud. Regular piston generators can be had for a few grand for a 15kW unit, for my little car project this would be perfect, providing the highway cruising power is the calculated 8kW. These generators are quite efficient, and can run 100% continuously.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

Brian, what car you referring to when you said use a turbine generator? It would be nice heck yah, but it would be loud. Regular piston generators can be had for a few grand for a 15kW unit, for my little car project this would be perfect, providing the highway cruising power is the calculated 8kW. These generators are quite efficient, and can run 100% continuously.

I think Jay Leno is working on one. Like you said turbines will be loud and it would also be a headache if the thing ever fails.

[zeropointbug]

Well I know he has a Turbine super bike, ultra fast, and one the main features is it's able to melts bumpers behind you!

Also, Lutach, I can't find the EV inverters (Simoverts) on that link? I emailed that Magnet-Motor company on a quote for that S31 inverter, hopefully it's <$6000 CAN.... cross my fingers. I also contacted that ISE for a quote on the Siemens DUO, but IIRC, it's quite expensive, and not to mention it has dual motor outputs.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

Well I know he has a Turbine super bike, ultra fast, and one the main features is it's able to melts bumpers behind you!

Also, Lutach, I can't find the EV inverters (Simoverts) on that link? I emailed that Magnet-Motor company on a quote for that S31 inverter, hopefully it's <$6000 CAN.... cross my fingers. I also contacted that ISE for a quote on the Siemens DUO, but IIRC, it's quite expensive, and not to mention it has dual motor outputs.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/cars/ecojet_shell.shtml

The link I got from my contact at Siemens, he said to get in touch with the Automation devision which is the one who makes the Simovert inverters. Let me know what Magnet-Motor says and if it's not the price you're looking for, I'll talk with someone who works there.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

Well I know he has a Turbine super bike, ultra fast, and one the main features is it's able to melts bumpers behind you!

Marine Turbine Technologies make the y2k bike you mentioned. I sat on the proto at a car show a while back. MTT is way down south here in LA. He has a few cars with the turbines in them, and does a ton of offshore race boats, fishing boats too. He uses demilled heli motors, IIRC, cheaper as they have maxed out their life expectancy in a heli, but are still good for ground use. I would love to ride that bike, 220mph min... My weak ass zx12r (only 154 hp at the back tire) can only do 195 (at least that is as fast as I have gone on it). I cannot imagine what a bike with 350+ ft/lbs or torque pulls like.

[zeropointbug]

Actually Brian, you know what, a person could even built a home made turbine engine generator from a an ordinary turbo charger from a car. I've seen it been done, if you could only make it quiet, but i don't think you could have that because you need a high quality exhaust system with good metals I would think. Very high temperatures your dealing with. That would definitely be nice to use, maybe some company will come out with some?

[lutach]

zeropointbug,

I sent you some info and 2 of them should not be posted anywhere.

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

Brian, what car you referring to when you said use a turbine generator? It would be nice heck yah, but it would be loud. Regular piston generators can be had for a few grand for a 15kW unit, for my little car project this would be perfect, providing the highway cruising power is the calculated 8kW. These generators are quite efficient, and can run 100% continuously.

No car that I know of. I was just thinking that turbines have fewer losses. Pistons have a lot more power-robbing friction. Also, turbines operate better at higher speeds, so I just figured if it was tuned for maximum efficiency at a certain rpm, it would be the logical choice. The idea is not to solely power the car from turbine-generated power, but to supplement it. If the car draws 30A constantly in highway conditions, and the generator provides 15A (or more) of current, it would extend the life of the battery pack considerably for the longer runs.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

BrianG, you actually DO need long range for high power, simply to get the power from a big enough battery.
It's not about a percentage of the max power for highway cruising, it's a specific Wh/mile based on rolling resistance/aerodynamics and to a certain extent, vehicle mass... with an educated guess on Wh/mile for the Ultimate Aero, I would say 220Wh/mile at 65 - 70mph, 220Wh x 65mph = 14,000 watts. 220Wh/mile x 200 miles range = 44,000kwh pack... assuming they use a voltage around 400 volts, 44,000kwh / 400 volts = 110 Ah. This is by not means difficult to do in a super car, this would be roughly 500 - 600lb. battery pack with today's lipo cells.


Lutach, that MIT battery tech was sold to two companies, one being A123, and the other was not stated, but most likely to this Belgium company you talk about.

I would love for you to post all this technology here so I can see it, rather than vaporware.

It's not simply about SSC bull$%&$*#! everyone here, from what they have said, that is WAY past the BS stage, it's a JOKE. So like I said before, it's either all a big sick joke, with the gun pointed at themselves... OR they have harnessed some exotic technology to make their claims real. Everyone laughed at them a few years ago when they said they would make the worlds fastest car, but look at them, they said they would do something, and then they actually went and did exactly what they said they would do, and then some.

Who makes these 200C batteries you speak of? I would love to know.

I can't mention who makes the cells as I would hate to loose my client. They make them for military use and thrust me they are robust. Have you contacted the Canadian companies that are in the industry? If I had the cash and the backing of a big company, I would take all my ideas off the drawing board.

Here is a German company that has a nice looking inverter: http://www.magnet-motor.de/en/home/p...r-electronics/.
It's the S31. They also make a nice little motor the M68.