60C really?

[gixxer]

Originally Posted by austinelse

I have not seen one single person who is posting here who can actually give me a specific example of a problem that they have had with our pack quality, customer service, or company. If I missed one, feel free to call me personally about your specific experience and I will do whatever it takes to make it right.

One final note-

You asked for an example and briang gave you one. You shot it down because that pack is no longer sold. Things like that turn most of us away. Really if you want to prove your product is the best you are going to need data to show us something. I know personally I am not willing to spend top $$$$ for your product when in the past your products have not even come close to what I expected. (my truerc pack even out performed it and you actually replaced my maxamps pack after having to go to you directly because of it, replacement puffed and I just tossed it. My polyquest packs at the time were almost like a whole extra cell.)

I can give example too but well my packs would be nearly 2 years old because that is when I stopped buying your products.

In order to get my $$$$ again I am going to need more then advertising, I am going to need real data. Since others have asked and made the same statement that means graphs. With out that no $$$$$$$$.

[sikeston34m]

Originally Posted by austinelse
Frankly it would not be fair for me to pick and choose from your concerns, questions, and negative opinions.

[_paralyzed_]

I was really happy at the beginning of this thread to see a representative of MA back on RCM. But he repeatedly ignored specific example after example of MA failures, and as someone else pointed out, calling out BrianG is like calling Mother Theresa a whore.

It became increasingly evident that Austin is just trying to sell MA packs.(do you get a comission)

"If you have a specific example call me personally" -well that's the whole point of forums, to share experience with everyone. I'm sure every company in the world wishes unhappy customers wouldn't share their experiences with anybody but them.

Bottom line: Business in America. It's the informed and motivated selling to the uninformed and nonmotivated. It's no different than Lincpimp buying used stuff low and selling high, just James isn't as greedy as MA, but hey, advertising is expensive. It is what it is and I'm glad I'm part of RCM, or the "Informed and Motivated", if you will............

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

Bottom line: Business in America. It's the informed and motivated selling to the uninformed and nonmotivated. It's no different than Lincpimp buying used stuff low and selling high, just James isn't as greedy as MA, but hey, advertising is expensive. It is what it is and I'm glad I'm part of RCM, or the "Informed and Motivated", if you will............

Hell, I am greedy... Just not on this forum!!!

You are right, but selling stuff relies on the magic "value for money" perception. If you think you got a good deal, who is to say that you have not. Like I said earlier, maxamps lipos seem great after you replace some venom cardboard cased stick packs (these are as overpriced as maxamps products, 60 bucks for a 6 cell 4500 mah cardboard no-matched crap nimh pack???). So double the performance for double the price (maxamps 2s packs are around 120 bucks), sounds fair right? Now if you know you can get a zippy for about 45 bucks shipped that will perform as well as the MA pack, well not sounding so fair, right... We all remember $100 6 cell nimh matched cells... That really sounds out of the box compared to that zippy pack.

All about what you have to reference against... If you read the rc mags and get your info there, zippy does not even exist to you...

[jpoprock]

You know... I'm not going to pretend that I know much about Lipos. I know that Lipos are like boobies. The bigger the C rating the better!

I've never owned, nor plan on owning and MA batteries simply because they are just way too expensive. Are they over-rated? Maybe, but I'm too dumb to know for myself. All I know is that I can't afford them. And even if I could, I don't race, so to me the cost isn't justified either.

As far as MA being voted #1 on all the RC Mags.. well, that's true. But I sub to most RC Mag's, and every single electric vehicle is reviewed using MA batteries, both Lipo and otherwise. Is this because MA is their choice? Probl not. It's probably because MA is one of the few who give them all the best free packs they want, in exchange for them publicizing the fact that the testing was done with MA batteries. How's that for good advertising. It's smart too. So, people are more apt to associate the positive review of the blazing fast "whatever" with the name MaxAmps because those were the batteries used. That's pretty much advertising 101 right there.

You give me all the latest greatest Maxamp batteries that I need, and I'll drive around with Maxamps all over my Explorer,my RC's, and put it in every signature I have. OF COURSE the mag's LOOOOVE Maxamps! How can they not? And how can you blame them really? You feed me, and I'll feed you.

In the end, it's for the user to decide for themselves.

J

[tmaxxdaddy]

Geeze, I thought reading at the begining I was going to get some good information

Now..Not so much

[Finnster]

That's a pretty disappointing graph Brian, as well as a disappointing response from Austin. I guess I would be hard pressed to explain that as well, not that that is an excuse. That's unfortunate Austin has chosen to no longer participate in the discussion as the thread was for the most part was lively yet constructive. I must say such data and behavior does not inspire me to pay such a premium for Maxamps batteries. Such is the line between poor and foolish I guess.

For consideration Brian, here is a graph of my Neu 3S 2500 30C/60C batteries on my CRT.5. Please not that these were purchased in Jan 08, so comparable to the 1yr old models you have from MA.

As you can see, the batteries were holding approx 9.3V (3.1V/cell) at 85A draw (35C) and the highest output occurred towards the end of the pack where there was a 114A (~45C) discharge that yielded 8.9V. Please note that the pack was nearly empty, as the resting voltage was ~11.3V, so it represents a 2.4V (.8V/cell) drop. I'm not sure how a 60C discharge is determined however. This run was a considerable stress on the battery, but did not create any puffing or overheating.



To be fair, I don't know that I would advise running a pack so hard. I did run the pack even harder in some grass tests later on, managed to kill my lehner and the pack has seemed a bit flat ever since. Hence the need for accurate ratings. Theoretical burst ratings are fine and all, but do not help much in determining the performance or appropriateness of the battery for such an app.

Overall I highly recommend NeuEnergy lipos, and they can be had for really good prices if you care to look. They have been a bit more powerful than any zippies, but far better cell matched and constructed. You can buy nearly two Neu 4S 25C or 30C 5000 packs for the $250 the original MA pack is listed at.

Let me dig out a 4S zippy-h graph that replaced this system.

[Finnster]

Sorry I drew the graph so poorly, but basically we are looking at a max discharge of 90A (42C), and worst V drop to 13.3V (3.3V/cell), tho I don't think they are at the same time, but for now lets assume worst case and they do. These were purchased in May of 08, also last years chemistry and beyond their ratings. I still use these today. Very happy for $40.

[zeropointbug]

What also ridiculous is how they have runtime for their packs for the respective vehicle: (2) 2s 6500 packs in a BL e-revo will get 39 minutes runtime, ya, right.

Who else votes that Austin should cough up a pack or two for someone respected on this forum to test?

It will be the only thing that can put this thing to rest, is it not?

[_paralyzed_]

Give Lutach a pack, he'll test the bejeesus out of it and post vids.