To beat the nitros, drive better.

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James I kinda agree with you... except for one aspect... a good brushless driver can be faster than a nitro in every part of the track... I am racing now and can honestly say it is much better out of the corners, you can get to the next corner faster than a nitro, then there is the straight as well. And if you have a triple jump or something like that and not much space, a brushless is more likely to get enough speed to make the triple, however, it may or may not be faster than taking double then the third after.

The first time I was out racing ever in June, I was in 2nd place out of 7, they were all nitros, I ended up getting 4th because of an unexpected shutdown.

The first part of the race I wasn't doing so well, then I just got faster and faster until I realized that with BL power, I can get away from them out of every corner. I was soon in 2nd place and catching up to 1st place truck.

I will have to agree though, there are some pretty good nitro engines out there that can compete with a BL system when tuning is done right, but not faster.

Finally, yes, you don't need OR want 6s/2200kv setup on the track, you can never use it... heck I use a 1512/1700kv on 6s and it is just right IMO for the track, it has really snappy power, lighter than a 1515, and can beat anything down the straight. I can even beat a Tekin (4s, 1900kv) BL Eight that a guy converted since he saw my Revo, which I don't understand?

There are other things that need to be considered as well, like going from 645mg servo and bow-tie MT tires to 7955TG and Crime-Fighters LPR was a HUGE difference for me around the track, one of the reasons I did so well at the last race. I am going to get some AKA City Blocks soon, that should be another big jump.

[Ryu James]

all of you have great points and of course i agree. i am a brushless addict and prefer them over nitro of course. i guess when i think about it a little more the average nitro rtr isnt gonna compare with any brushless setup. at our local track i guess i am thinking of the nitro guys that are really good. basically each week we have about 4 brushless buggies and 3-4 nitros. all of the nitros do get left in the dust except for one guy. he has a GRP motor with the orange heatsink (dont know much about nitro motors) on his losi 8b 2.0. his car is fast. our straight is about 75ft long and he gets down it just as fast as any of us. but only because there isnt enough room for me to hit full throttle and still keep the car contained. also, you are right on the jumps. although his car is fast he cant clear a doubledouble like us BL guys can. we can take it as a quad where he has to hit both doubles. however, despite some of the obvious performance advantages of BL setups he continuously finishes 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. i have seen other guys with very nice nitro setups beat the pants off brushless drivers. these guys are sponsored and such though.
i guess my point was that there are guys good enough to beat brushless with their nitros simply because of their driving abililty. i wasnt implying that brushless isnt better than nitro because, in my opinion, brushless is far superior than nitro in many ways. i just think its naive when i see guys put up a post that makes it sound like if they just buy a fast brushless they are gonna be winning every race against the nitros. if there are any half-decent drivers at their track they are gonna need to learn how to drive too. but again, brushless is my choice any day of the week.

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Well said. Yeah, here as well, there are a couple guys with $500 engines (O.S. Star lineup) that can just about keep up with me, they are no slouches by any means.

The only guy in MT that gives me a challenge somewhat is the only LST, the rest are Revo 3.3's. The LST handles very good, whatever he did to it, it's me way up in 1st by a long shot, then him like one lap behind on a 30 min main, then the rest of the Revo's are a few laps behind.

It could be cause I'm just that good? Or I am fairly average driver with a helping hand in the straights and such. But, none the less, my nitro head pit guys said it looked like I was driving a truggy because of how fast it was around the track.

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Never the less, your original post is correct, 6s/2200kv. CC/Neu power is NOT going to win you races, in fact, it is a disadvantage, IMO. You want about 1500watts for racing BL with good nitros, that's all it takes, and that's all you want.