going to buy a rifle---advice?

[Riko]

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy

That wasn't directed at you, but I never understood why people have to troll threads like this. It is part of our culture, it is how we became a nation and it is how we will stay who we are.

If you think that's a wiser option, you should open your eyes....

why?

okay, I understand that your country was formed under violent speration from the English rule. And that the US expaned to the west also with violence.
So I can understand that violence has been part of the american culture...
However, the US are not the only country that made itself independant by the means of violence, but they one of the most prominent gun-lovers in the world.

That's what I was trying to understand. The whole cultural-historical arugment is becoming less valid.

Anyhow, why do I have to open my eyes if I think that less guns is more safety?
Isn't that logic? Here in Europe the home defence with guns are a vast majority, so are we all blind and stupid here?...

Originally Posted by Bondonutz

I've ben reading this thread and trying to stay out but I can no longer keep my mouth shut.

The US is one of the best places to live for many reasons, and yes we have some serious problems but letting home owners own self defense firearms is NOT one of them. Unfortuately these laws make guns accessable on the street for felons gets their hands on also, a chance we take I guess ?

I'd much rather live in a country that allows folks to owns firearms than live in a country that does not and have to defend my homestead and family with a stick or throwing a sheep at a burgler ? Thats Horseshit, I'm gonna blast the the theiving asshole that dares to step foot in MY HOUSE. And inspite of a privious post mentioning some don't have the testicular fortitude to hold a gun on someone or take life. I've done it(He didn't die but is a vegetable), and I'll do it again gladly, My conscious is crystal clear.

So, you are in favor of private gun ownership, but more regulated and bound to strict (safety) rules (like in Europe) and against easy acces to get any gun for private use?

[Unsullied_Spy]

Originally Posted by Riko

why?

okay, I understand that your country was formed under violent speration from the English rule. And that the US expaned to the west also with violence.
So I can understand that violence has been part of the american culture...
However, the US are not the only country that made itself independant by the means of violence, but they one of the most prominent gun-lovers in the world.

That's what I was trying to understand. The whole cultural-historical arugment is becoming less valid.

Anyhow, why do I have to open my eyes if I think that less guns is more safety?
Isn't that logic? Here in Europe the home defence with guns are a vast majority, so are we all blind and stupid here?...

We have grown quite attached to our rights and freedoms and don't take kindly to them being taken away.

Less guns does not equal less crime, the region of the U.S. where I live (Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota) has the loosest gun laws and highest gun ownership per capita in the U.S. yet it is the safest place to live? By your logic there should be murders every day and the whole countryside overrun with panic and chaos but that is not the case. Violent crimes occur all around the world (take Austalia as an example). Criminals don't care about the law, that's why they are criminals, so outlawing guns only takes them out of the hands of the 90+ million law abiding citizens and only assists the criminals. So much easier to be a criminal when your victims cannot defend themselves.

[JThiessen]

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy

Less guns does not equal less crime, the region of the U.S. where I live (Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota) has the loosest gun laws and highest gun ownership per capita in the U.S. yet it is the safest place to live?

The people are vastly different in the "majority" of the country Unsullied, which is why you see the difference in attitude towards this issue. I dont know how to explain in a short blurb, but think res mentality mixed with 1.5 million self absorbed a-holes.

[Unsullied_Spy]

Originally Posted by JThiessen

The people are vastly different in the "majority" of the country Unsullied, which is why you see the difference in attitude towards this issue. I dont know how to explain in a short blurb, but think res mentality mixed with 1.5 million self absorbed a-holes.

Indeed, I can open carry down main street here and nobody would care. Try that in Seattle and people would freak out. It isn't the gun that you have to worry about, it won't load itself and go crazy, its the person that I worry about.