New Arizona SB1070 Law

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

Didn't Arizona just enacted an anti immigration law last week? I think many states are standing up to the feds now, might be a civil war soon.

Yes they did, and the feds are talking about bringing lawsuits against them for it, even though it simply mirrors the federal law - the feds simply don't enforce it. So, AZ decided enough is enough and passed a law that gives them the power to do what the feds won't. Opponents argue it creates racial profiling, and there is a possibility of that (I'm sure everyone has heard/experienced a situation where law enforcement abuses their priveledges), but if the new law is followed, then that can't happen. It's pretty bad when 400k of a 2M population is illegal draining gov't resources.

The media for the most part is slanting the whole issue to seem like people in general are against AZ (some states, like CA and MN, have boycotted AZ state officials). But when you look at actual polls, it shows the vast majority of US citizens are wholeheartedly for AZ. In fact, there are (last I counted), 12 states who plan on introducing legislation similar to AZ.

I've always said to eliminate the freebies and the illegals that are just here to freeload and they won't want to come here. Also, eliminate the "anchor baby" policy (where illegals sneak here, have a kid on US soil, thereby legalizing them). Simply give the parents a choice: take your baby back to your home country with you (forfeiting the child's US citizenship), or put the baby up for adoption. Either way, the parents leave.

What's even funnier is that just about every other country on the planet has far harsher laws regarding illegal immigration than we do, but we are deemed racists. Hypocites!

It's unfortunate that other countries' gov'ts are so poorly run, but those people need to fix that themselves instead of coming here and demanding we bend our ways to their whim. Time for the US to take of US citizens instead of catering to every illegal shmuck who whines for fear of offending someone. No more "press 1 for English" crap!

I could go on and on and on, but I don't want this thread to degrade to politics too much.

[nitrostarter]

Originally Posted by BrianG

I could go on and on and on, but I don't want this thread to degrade to politics too much.

Brian, speaking you mind is the only way things get done and voices get heard. Sure they get hushed by the slanted media of today pushing certain agendas because they paid politicians, but we can change this by making our own voices heard!

I too am against all freebies, not just with illegals either. Governmental assistance programs are just as big of a waste of money as well! It's sick! constant abusers of the system.

I took a CPE class last Wednesday on of all things, healthcare reform. Yep, a class to illustrate all the additional fines and penalties going to be assessed, as well as the outrageous amount of NONDEDUCTIBLE expenses the health insurance providers will no longer get. O yea insurance is definitely going up!

But in this class they went over a section about the cost of the bill, approx. $940 billion, and how over time it will reduce the federal deficit*. Yep there was an asterisk by that one which basically stated they used an ill-advised method of accounting to come up with this and that the real number won't reduce the deficit. The slide also went on to say, and I quote:

...reduces the number of nonelderly people unisured by about 32 million. Which leave 23 million nonelderly American residents uninsured(one-third of whom would be unauthorized immigrants.)

Are you kidding? So "unauthorized immigrants are now included in the populous of the American people. And what ticks me off is that they don't call them as they should be, illegal!

Sorry to cause political uproar if so but people need to understand the situation and how American is going to hell in a hand basket.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by BrianG

What's even funnier is that just about every other country on the planet has far harsher laws regarding illegal immigration than we do, but we are deemed racists. Hypocrites!

Illegal immigration is a problem for all countries. Australia is no different

I can assure you, if you plan arriving unannounced (by boat typically) or overstaying your visa, you are quickly taken to detention centres & processed as slowly as possible. The detention centres are not a place you want to find yourself & certainly not your family

Australia is hard & uncaring country to illegal immigrants

[pinkpanda3310]

Originally Posted by PBO

Illegal immigration is a problem for all countries. Australia is no different

I can assure you, if you plan arriving unannounced (by boat typically) or overstaying your visa, you are quickly taken to detention centres & processed as slowly as possible. The detention centres are not a place you want to find yourself & certainly not your family

Australia is hard & uncaring country to illegal immigrants

For every boat person that arrives here, 10 people hop off the plane and 'disappear'. Some get caught but once they've been here a set amount of time I beleive they get to stay. That's what I've been lead to beleive anyway, I've met numerous immigrants that arrived illegally but are no longer hiding.

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310

...I've met numerous immigrants that arrived illegally but are no longer hiding.

That's because they have nothing to fear since the law (or lack thereof) is on their side.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310

For every boat person that arrives here, 10 people hop off the plane and 'disappear'. Some get caught but once they've been here a set amount of time I beleive they get to stay. That's what I've been lead to beleive anyway, I've met numerous immigrants that arrived illegally but are no longer hiding.

I'm not an illegal so I don't know the ins & outs of disappearing however I do know that it's easy enough to pay into the system with PAYE etc. Unless you can create/steal a new identity, I don't think you can take back from the system...as in - leave the country, recieve Medicare benefits (they closed that loop), open a bank account, get finance etc or am I wrong about that??

[JThiessen]

I like how the media is playing the "racial profiling" card on this subject....yeah, like it doesn't happen already......

[JERRY2KONE]

Dear President Obama:

I'm planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico , and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.

I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way over?

Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3. Please print all Mexican Government forms in English.

4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.

7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico , but I don't plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won't make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my housetop, put U S. flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.

14. I want to receive free food stamps.

15. Naturally, I'll expect free rent subsidies.

16. I'll need income tax credits so that although I don't pay Mexican taxes, I'll receive money from the government.

17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Government pays $4,500.00 to help me buy a new car.

18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I'll get a monthly income in retirement.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the U.S. from Mexico . I am sure that President Calderon won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

You're the man!!!

[JERRY2KONE]

The whole thing is just a big bunch of crap IMHO. Like stated previously the laws are and have been in effect for many years, and AZ just copied what was already in our federal statutes and made them local state laws in order to give them the power to act on those laws within the state Gov system. It has also been stated that if you read the laws as written there is previsions to prevent racial profiling. So the whole arguement is another piece of crap for the ACLU and NAACP to use as a tool to overthrow rules that the majority of the people in the USA want. As I have stated in previous threads I just don't see what the stand on this is. If anyone arrives here in the USA they have the same chances as everyone else to apply for citizenship and go through the legal process that was setup in the first place to become a part of our country. If you (black, white, yellow, red or whatever color your skin is or whatever God/religeon you believe in) cannot follow the rules setup in our country, then get the hell out. How can anyone really find fault in that process, and wage a legal arguement that has any merrit what so ever? Who in the hell is running this country anyway? My best friend always jokes about how I should not worry, because OBAMA is going to fix everything wrong with this country. What a joke.

[pinkpanda3310]

Originally Posted by PBO

I'm not an illegal so I don't know the ins & outs of disappearing however I do know that it's easy enough to pay into the system with PAYE etc. Unless you can create/steal a new identity, I don't think you can take back from the system...as in - leave the country, recieve Medicare benefits (they closed that loop), open a bank account, get finance etc or am I wrong about that??

I'm not too sure of the technicalities like that but like BG said the law will accommadate them to a degree. A bit like rewarding them for avoiding laws that apply to everyone else. Even when they do go through a legitimate course and get knocked back they just apply for an NZ residency and pop over.

You have to admit we are soft here. Boat people bypass several countries that take assylum seekers just to get here. If they are granted never mind the the rental crisis, they get a place to stay and gov't benefits all layed out for them in their own language.

I used to think my dad was harsh when he said 'shoot them out of the water', but make sure it got on TV that would send the message to stay where they are.

'Laws are in place for the obedience of fools and the guidance of the wise', that's bullshit people are always going to wrought the system.

I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm not against immigrants (my wife is testimont to that) I just don't like people who have blatent disregard for the laws that apply to everyone. Including those that come on the plane.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310

I'm not too sure of the technicalities like that but like BG said the law will accommadate them to a degree. A bit like rewarding them for avoiding laws that apply to everyone else. Even when they do go through a legitimate course and get knocked back they just apply for an NZ residency and pop over.

You have to admit we are soft here. Boat people bypass several countries that take assylum seekers just to get here. If they are granted never mind the the rental crisis, they get a place to stay and gov't benefits all layed out for them in their own language.

I used to think my dad was harsh when he said 'shoot them out of the water', but make sure it got on TV that would send the message to stay where they are.

'Laws are in place for the obedience of fools and the guidance of the wise', that's bullshit people are always going to wrought the system.

I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm not against immigrants (my wife is testimont to that) I just don't like people who have blatent disregard for the laws that apply to everyone. Including those that come on the plane.

Yeah, it's a tough situation with the boat people. On one hand you have people risking literally everything to come to a country they think will offer them & presumably their families the opportunities & security they want. On the other you have genuine refugees seeking asylum from persecution...if caught, they all get locked up for processing & hopefully they weed out the good from bad

I must admit, I'm not too keen on immigrants (legal or not) who isolate themselves into their own communities, don't bother learning the language, treat our country like their former country & hate everyone except their fellow countrymen...if we're all so bad - why the hell did you bother coming. Happy to buy them a plane ticket "home" to make way for someone who actually appreciates being here

I had a casual employee who gave me some of that one day...ranting and raving about how crap Australia was...couldn't wait to leave for freakin Lebanon of all places...he was instantly pushed out the door, followed closely by his bag full of hair products & car theiving tools...ta ta

[JERRY2KONE]

Yeah, it's a tough situation with the boat people. On one hand you have people risking literally everything to come to a country they think will offer them & presumably their families the opportunities & security they want. On the other you have genuine refugees seeking asylum from persecution...if caught, they all get locked up for processing & hopefully they weed out the good from bad

If you were to go on a vacation you would do your research first and make sure that where you are going is safe, and has a vacancy for you right? Plus when things are tough here in teh USA do Americans jump on a boat and head for Cuba? Hell now we figure out how to overcome the issue and move on. Why can't they do that in their own country and stop thinking that the USA is their only savior.

I must admit, I'm not too keen on immigrants (legal or not) who isolate themselves into their own communities, don't bother learning the language, treat our country like their former country & hate everyone except their fellow countrymen...if we're all so bad - why the hell did you bother coming. Happy to buy them a plane ticket "home" to make way for someone who actually appreciates being here


I agree totally. If you wish to reside here then learn the friken language or go back where you came from. A visit is one thing, but to stay here for years and never learning English should be a crime in itself. If you want to become a citizen of the USA, then you should be given one year to learn how to speak enough English for us to understand your speach or go home and don't come back until you can speak it fluently. As for how some of these communities spring up of some other nationality and don't want anyone else around. As long as they keep things on the peaceful side why not. It happens in every level of nature in all species.