New Arizona SB1070 Law

[BrianG]

Some material for your viewing pleasure. The following links are ~11 min parts of a single video. So, grab a chair and listen if you like:

Vid 1 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvsDR...layer_embedded

Vid 2 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfTOe...layer_embedded

Vid 3 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b19zM...layer_embedded

Vid 4 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8JUk...layer_embedded

[zeropointbug]

I think everyone is watching too much FOX news (or similar)... there is no terrorist boogie men that want to take your freedom away. JERRY, sounds like you are really convinced they are out to get you.

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

I think everyone is watching too much FOX news (or similar)... there is no terrorist boogie men that want to take your freedom away. JERRY, sounds like you are really convinced they are out to get you.

Obviously you really do live in your own little world don't you? Just to make myself clear. I am a Federal Investigator and I work for one of the US Gov agencies all over the world. If you really think there are no terrorists already living in the US, or that they do not want to hurt Americans then you truly have no idea what is going on around you. Wake up and smell the fertalizer. These people want only one thing, and that is every living human being dead who is not part of their beliefs. We are their number one target, and you can bet your sweet freedoms that they are scheming every single day to hit us where it hurts. They do not discriminate against men, women, or children and they do not care who gets hurt in their wake of destruction. Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS, or whatever other channel you wish to believe in does not really matter, because all of them are reporting the same thing from different angles, and that is that these people mean business no matter what you want to see on TV from your own perspective. That is what frustrates the young men and women in our own military is people like you who have no incling of how their efforts protect you and your freedoms from the terror that is out there trying to get to you and our American way of life. I guess you won't really wake up until they are standing in your living room with a machette at your throat. Open your eyes grass hopper. The world is in chaos and the bad is winning.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

Obviously you really do live in your own little world don't you? Just to make myself clear. I am a Federal Investigator and I work for one of the US Gov agencies all over the world. If you really think there are no terrorists already living in the US, or that they do not want to hurt Americans then you truly have no idea what is going on around you. Wake up and smell the fertalizer.

As in Timothy McVeigh? he was a home grown terrorist, who loved his country but hated the gouvernance

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

These people want only one thing, and that is every living human being dead who is not part of their beliefs. We are their number one target, and you can bet your sweet freedoms that they are scheming every single day to hit us where it hurts. They do not discriminate against men, women, or children and they do not care who gets hurt in their wake of destruction. Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS, or whatever other channel you wish to believe in does not really matter, because all of them are reporting the same thing from different angles, and that is that these people mean business no matter what you want to see on TV from your own perspective. That is what frustrates the young men and women in our own military is people like you who have no incling of how their efforts protect you and your freedoms from the terror that is out there trying to get to you and our American way of life. I guess you won't really wake up until they are standing in your living room with a machette at your throat. Open your eyes grass hopper. The world is in chaos and the bad is winning.

Don't you think you're over simplifying things just a tad Jerry...who is good & evil? The history of the US shows that it's just as likely to be from within as external

If you think about what drives people to extreme acts, it's often not what seems the best fit, it may be a variety of reasons. It might be because the isolated, persecuted, ignored etc...like McVeigh

[pinkpanda3310]

Originally Posted by PBO

As in Timothy McVeigh? he was a home grown terrorist, who loved his country but hated the gouvernance



Don't you think you're over simplifying things just a tad Jerry...who is good & evil? The history of the US shows that it's just as likely to be from within as external

If you think about what drives people to extreme acts, it's often not what seems the best fit, it may be a variety of reasons. It might be because the isolated, persecuted, ignored etc...like McVeigh

You understand Jerry's point but, yeh? If you sit back like a lazy beatnik and just let it happen, then you get what you deserve.

When a dog does something out of line you reprimand it fast and firmly (swift kick in the guts usually works), no difference in my mind.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310

You understand Jerry's point but, yeh? If you sit back like a lazy beatnik and just let it happen, then you get what you deserve.

When a dog does something out of line you reprimand it fast and firmly (swift kick in the guts usually works), no difference in my mind.

I do understand Jerry's point

There's a lot of different ways to consider the issues he raises. I don't know that fortifying your community is the solution though. PP do you think it's the best solution to dealing with the issue...do you feel you need to do it to feel safe?

[JERRY2KONE]

Look I don't know if building a fence or a wall is the best or the safest way to handle the situation, but at least something is being done. If there is a better solution, then it needs to be brought to the attention of our Gov so a change in the right direction can be made. Complaining about the way they are handling one matter or another, without a viable solution is just wasting one's breath. Any move in a positive direction to resolve a problem is better than doing nothing at all. What comes to mind in this matter is exactly what happened to the Jews for taking the passive approach when Hitler was trying to exterminate them from the face of the Earth.

Listen I don't come in here to piss in anyones weaties, but some peoples views just amaze the hell out of me. I love our country for the life it allows for each of us and the opportunities it provides because of the patriots, and heros who lead the way and gave us what we have today. I'll be dammed if I am going to sit by and watch it crumble because we have become to weak to protect our own borders because we may offend some visitors sensibillities. Our country has always stood its ground and fought for the right to decide how we were going to do things our own way without letting anyone else interfer with our plans. I have lived in many different countries around the world and although some of them are doing pretty well compared to the rest of the planet there are very few places outside of the USA that I would consider retiring. If you really think our Gov is screwed up try living in Mexico, Perto Rico, Maylasia, or some of the other poor countries around teh globe. We have it good, but we have to do a better job of protecting it.

[pinkpanda3310]

Originally Posted by PBO

I do understand Jerry's point

There's a lot of different ways to consider the issues he raises. I don't know that fortifying your community is the solution though. PP do you think it's the best solution to dealing with the issue...do you feel you need to do it to feel safe?

I feel safer here in Perth than if I were in Arizona. The large mass of water around us ,PBO, is much like a wall or barrier of sorts. I consider the influx of illegals in Arizona may well be the same as all Australia if it had a wall. So yes, I would feel better to build a wall, if I were there.

[zeropointbug]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

Obviously you really do live in your own little world don't you? Just to make myself clear. I am a Federal Investigator and I work for one of the US Gov agencies all over the world. If you really think there are no terrorists already living in the US, or that they do not want to hurt Americans then you truly have no idea what is going on around you. Wake up and smell the fertalizer. These people want only one thing, and that is every living human being dead who is not part of their beliefs. We are their number one target, and you can bet your sweet freedoms that they are scheming every single day to hit us where it hurts. They do not discriminate against men, women, or children and they do not care who gets hurt in their wake of destruction. Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS, or whatever other channel you wish to believe in does not really matter, because all of them are reporting the same thing from different angles, and that is that these people mean business no matter what you want to see on TV from your own perspective. That is what frustrates the young men and women in our own military is people like you who have no incling of how their efforts protect you and your freedoms from the terror that is out there trying to get to you and our American way of life. I guess you won't really wake up until they are standing in your living room with a machette at your throat. Open your eyes grass hopper. The world is in chaos and the bad is winning.

Jerry, you are clearly very brain washed, you are living in a box in your mind that your own GOVERNMENT, NOT terrorists, created. Don't be so bloody naive for thinking some diaper heads from some distant land want to kill you... all you have to do is look at your own life... who starts all the wars? Who created a false/fake monetary system to enslave the people? Who carries out false flag operations on their own soil and blames it on the 'terrorists'? Who wants to constantly spoon feed you $#!% food? Who wants to stick you with a needle every chance they get with toxic crap? Who wants to gladly sell you drugs that are known to cause millions of deaths each year and declare the beneficial herbs (Cannabis) ILLEGAL? Who wants to then profit off of the health problems and death caused by said food and medicine? Who went in to many many foreign countries sold them GMO crop seeds saying they are "magic seeds", then while their crops completely failed, destroying the soil along with it, the IMF and World Bank come in quietly saying "oh, too bad, we will help you, give you a bit of money, GMO food, medicines, vaccines, all you have to do is sign this contract with us so we can destroy your country"? Who is it that will tax you, tax your horse, tax your land, tax your house, tax your food, tax your livelihood, tax your etc, etc, etc? Who does that? Who are the people who claim their country has ALL the freedom in the world and say they have a democracy, then go into other countries, free countries, and wipe out their government, create war and hardship and famine? Who creates corporations, and industrial corporations creating needless jobs to feed other needless jobs, meanwhile polluting the air, soil, and water of the earth? Military-Industrial complex anyone? Who sets up a fake stock market with imaginary numbers with imaginary ups and downs, and meanwhile behind the scenes pulling strings, manipulating it, pulling out before said drop happens, putting 'shorts' on a drop before it drops (Goldman Sachs put shorts on the Gulg oil spill, made 100's millions)......

What do YOU think is the root problem to the issues of the world? Tell me, who does these things Jerry? You say you are a US Investigator? I say you don't know anything. That's not my opinion, that is the truth.