Nitro sucks!!!!!!

[Ryu James]

if the fuel and nitro companies had half a brain they would see this as an opportunity to fill a void for a relentless need in the market. take some of their capital and dedicate it to R&D and produce some electric products and be one of the first to get a piece of the pie and build a reputation as a hero; one who risked tons of capital to bring the world what it has been waiting for.

what was it Neos nemesis said in "the Matrix"? "the sound of inevitibility"

like i said before, nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come. (quote from some smart guy). an idea that the world is ready for cannot be stopped. period. especially not by some stupid ROAR regulations. those idiots will face the sad reality when 80% of all RC sales will be for brushless products. give it 5-10 more years. it is going to happen. all it is right now is like someone threw a snowball with their hand down the mountain and its been rolling for 3 seconds, only the size of an orange. wait til this thing has been rolling longer and gets to be the size of a truck. the growth is really starting to be exponential now. with traxxas and losi releasing 1/8 brushless factory kits it has only just begun. the seed has been planted.

there is no stopping the tsunami of brushless in the RC world or electric in the real world. if the big corps werent such dumbasses they would be riding this wave already. instead, its going to hit the masses with such force and they will finally realize, "oh, we want to come up with some electric products to make some money. it turns out we couldnt stop it from coming so i guess we should jump on board." but by then they will have missed the wave and its already crested. dumba$$e$

[Ryu James]

Here is an excerpt from R/C Car this month in their article on the Losi 8E on page 118.

"Electric powered vehicles ruled the road in all forms of RC for years, as the nitro engine technology of the time couldnt match the plug-and-play ease of batteries and motors. However, the simultaneous improvement of nitro engines across the board along with electric racers feeling priced out of competition by rapidly-released updates in electric motor and battery tech caused a huge shift to nitro racing. And now, with the superior reliability of brushless motors and LiPo batteries, the tide is changing once again."

i dont think anyone realizes how much brushless is going to dominate the market though. unless nitro comes up some amazing new technology it is going to be a thing of the past. brushless will continue to get better whereas nitro has seen its limits already. as soon as the first quick-change battery trays come out and 1/8 brushless starts running in ROAR races, its over. and i have talked with owners of major RC companies who tell me their quick-change LiPo trays are being developed and tested now and will be out this year. in fact, several companies are working on this now including Losi, Tekno, and RC Product Designs just to name a few. nitro will become more of a sub-hobby within the hobby where only a few "nitro-purists" will stick with it because of their passion for the lifelike resemablance and sound of real cars. but as soon as real 1/1 cars start turning more to electric that will only throw more fuel to the fire.
anyway, i predict that brushless technology will dominate the RC scene for many decades to come. it is going to be amazing to see the new advancements in motor, esc, and lipo technology. things will get smaller and more powerful. it is so exciting to be involved in this movement and to be enjoying RC during this time.

oh, i wanted to post this vid since i posted one earlier in this thread of the brushless muggy on a neu 1521 throwing around the muggy like a rag doll. well i found a twin motor nitro MT that is doing the same thing. i have never seen a nitro setup like this. its pretty impressive but it doesnt change anything i have just said. just cool to watch.

twin motor nitro MT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwm8y8jcwGM

Neu 1521 brushless muggy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7GdkNpKAY


and then there is this. someone in this thread said that the fastest MT was a nitro powered Revo and it did 66mph. well they never saw this then. a brushless MT doing 78.6mph

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1-XCew1rCk

80.4mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERY9_TLF86M&NR=1

[Rivermaxx]

Nic cases record is truely amazing I do admit that. How many brushless motors does he have under the lid though? If those guys are in the dark ages why doesnt someone from this forum go out and whoop some butt! instead of talking trash.You can talk bad about the winning team all you want but in the end your still the loser. Right?

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Nic cases record is truely amazing I do admit that. How many brushless motors does he have under the lid though? If those guys are in the dark ages why doesnt someone from this forum go out and whoop some butt! instead of talking trash.You can talk bad about the winning team all you want but in the end your still the loser. Right?

I believe Nic has just one motor.

I can't speak for others here, but I don't race. I just like to go out and play. Besides, everyone knows it's 10% vehicle, 90% driver.

Really though, you're in the wrong forum to change anyone's mind about nitro vs BL. If you want to hear comments from nitro fanboys, go to any one of the nitro vehicle subforums at the Trx forum. Plenty of misinformed/delusional people there...

[Rivermaxx]

Originally Posted by BrianG

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Really though, you're in the wrong forum to change anyone's mind about nitro vs BL. If you want to hear comments from nitro fanboys, go to any one of the nitro vehicle subforums at the Trx forum. Plenty of misinformed/delusional people there...

I am not trying to change anyones mine if anything I want you guys to change my mind I am open minded. I am just wanting to see all the nitro haters back up their claims. Nothing personal to anyone but if your going to bash nitro at least be the winner of the race. Right?

[jayjay283]

Stum a member here.. Stumblinh a few banned names ago on the traxxas forum, ripped his revo not even trying at about 64mph, he wasn't even trying just messing around for us on the trx site to test the system. I know and he knows it could have hit 75+, Ive done 75+ but that was with a losi speed t (1/10th) on 3s 4800 it flew in the air and hit me and broke my ankle and I not having health insurance sat at home drinking whisky for the pain for a week

[jayjay283]

whats the argument, if you don't get it you may never. Can't make a depressed person stop wanting to eat a bullet. Can't make Ghandi eat. Some are set in their ways and the earth still revolves with or without them LOL stuff is and can be better, just LOOK ......brushless

[Rivermaxx]

Whats the saying "Put up or shut up" So far nic case is the only one who can walk the walk and talk the talk. heres a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLOGAvhyJ84 Now that is awesome!!.

[jayjay283]

Nic spoke, he begged us to put up and we all wussed, you put up...next year maybe if obama gives me the $5000 for being a loser fund he promised

[_paralyzed_]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

I am not trying to change anyones mine if anything I want you guys to change my mind I am open minded. I am just wanting to see all the nitro haters back up their claims. Nothing personal to anyone but if your going to bash nitro at least be the winner of the race. Right?

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Whats the saying "Put up or shut up" So far nic case is the only one who can walk the walk and talk the talk. heres a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLOGAvhyJ84 Now that is awesome!!.

Guys! Guys! You are preaching to the choir! Rivermaxx is saying hes on board.

Rivermaxx- you missed post 19 somehow, but here's the video link of jzemaxx driving a large xtm mammoth monster truck 80.4 mph. Put up or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERY9_TLF86M&feature=user

[jayjay283]

and there you have it, stall meisters LOL

[George16]

River, hurry up with your conversion. I bet after running your first brushless motor that you'll be hook into it more than you'll realize. Speed challenge threads in the trx forum are just a way to boost the ego of those kids. Just look at the quality of posts they're making. I would like to do speed runs too but theyre is not enough space to do it safely here. I wish I was still stationed in Hawaii so I can do speed runs at the runway of the old Barber's Point air station.

Anyway, I can't remember who has this signature. It goes something like this:

I love nitro, I start it, run it for 50 feet. It dies, walk to it, perfect exercise.

[Rivermaxx]

Why should I "put up" I never said one bad thing about any brushless setups . In fact I believe I praised nic case for his acheivments. Maybe you guys who have had bad experiences with nitro are buying crap nitro engines. A cheap<$200 chinese 427 or a lrp.28 dont have nothing as far as power and reliabilty compared to a good $300- $500 OS, RB or Novarossi engine. It like comparing hyundai's to a ferrari. Lito you are probably right I probably will love the brushless setup I get. I just want to see the guys bashing nitro show their stuff.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Why should I "put up" I never said one bad thing about any brushless setups . In fact I believe I praised nic case for his acheivments. Maybe you guys who have had bad experiences with nitro are buying crap nitro engines. A cheap<$200 chinese 427 or a lrp.28 dont have nothing as far as power and reliabilty compared to a good $300- $500 OS, RB or Novarossi engine. It like comparing hyundai's to a ferrari. Lito you are probably right I probably will love the brushless setup I get. I just want to see the guys bashing nitro show their stuff.

I have a feeling you will find quite a few people on here who dislike nitro, as this is a mainly brushless electric forum...

Kinda like the guys on the traxxas forum bashing hpi stuff...

And a 500 dollar nitro engine will still not keep up with the $300 castle 2200 system on 6s lipo. It may run better and last longer than a cheaper big block but it will still only make so much power and rev so high. Nitro motors cannot compete with elctric in power or torque production, or rpm...

And before someone metions the battery cost... A decent 6s lipo can be had for around 250 bucks, and should get about 200 cycles if treated properly. So that equates to about 67 hours of use (asuming 20 min runtime, which is very a very low estimate for a 6s setup).

Now nitro costs 30-35 bucks a gallon, so 250 bucks will get you about 8 gallons. That is around 30,000cc so about 200 tanks of fuel (150cc tank). Now most big blocks can go thru a tank of fuel faster than 20mins... So the lipo is cheaper than the nitro fuel over the lifetime of the setup. Not sure if a nitro engine can do 8 hrs without rebuild, so you might want to factor in some parts.

In any case I think you will enjoy electric almost as much as you enjoy arguing....

[Ryu James]

Rivermaxx,

here is just a couple of videos to whet your appetite (you ever seen a nitro throw a 10lb muggy in the air like that from sheer torque? i doubt it!). and if i could get my DVD camcorder mini dvd's to download i could show you more. my bare bones setup not even geared for speed that does 55-60mph. if i threw in some gearing like a 22/45 like i am sure your friend did who has the 66mph revo my truggy would be doing like 100mph. (i run 13/46 and 15/48 by the way.) go look at the RC calculator and do the math. and plus, i started this thread simply saying that Nitro cars are dirty as hell and that i love brushless. i can't help it if everyone who has passion for the brushless wants to express their opinion. its a forum, what do you expect??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85v85Pn3DMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7GdkNpKAY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR-6d...next=1&index=3

ps. i only posted the boat racing link cuz boat racing seems to be at the forefront of speed technology in the RC indsustry....and they dont run nitro.

I GUARANTEE when you convert your first kit you will never look back. then no one will need to "back it up" or "walk the walk". you will have convinced yourself. that is the only one who can convince you anyway. no matter how much i tell you about my 60mph truggies (3 of them) or my 70 mph Schumacher you wont believe it until you build/drive one yourself. we are already walking the walk. we do what we love!! what more is there???

OH, AND LEST WE FORGET, THIS IS ALL JUST FRIENDLY BANTER. NOT ACTUAL HEATED DEBATE. AT LEAST IT IS FOR ME. I DONT THINK ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY "HATES" NITRO. WE JUST HAVE A MUCH DEEPER APPRECIATION FOR THE FINER THINGS IN LIFE.