Nitro sucks!!!!!!

[Finnster]

I've had all BL cars for several years now, but got my 1st nitro in a Savage XL. First I intended to convert it, but had a spare 427 motor, so threw it in and ran it for a bit. Way slower than a BL, so much less TQ, and a pain in a lot of ways (as described.) The biggest pain was having to carry so much crap around, starter, wrench, temp gun, screwdriver and glow starter. Plus the fuel is fookin expensive and goes fast. $40 of nitro goes way faster than you would guess. Plus the radio batts runs down fast w/ big servos.

But... it was still a lot of fun. So much I got a LRP .28 for it.
Faster, but still not as much as BL. Break-in sucks, and its a bit messy, but the savvy TVPs keeps it pretty clean. (pan chassis are a disaster tho.) Its a pull start, usually starts in a couple pulls.

Why did I get a nitro motor for it?
1.) for something different. Plus should learn about nitros to really appreciate how better BL is.
2.) It still is a lot of fun. Yes its slower, but for a huge MT like the XL, is still fast enough.
The nice thing about nitro is that its a bit easier to just grab and go out if you haven't driven in a while. You got to keep lipos stored @ 50% charge, so in my busy house, if I get a few mins to go play, it get wrecked by having to wait for batts.
IDK about realism, but it is fun making racket w/ the XL while trashing thru the grass and bushes.

Now, I would never ever race a nitro! They are a freaking pain, and need so much attention to get them running right. W/ a basher, as long as it runs decently its fine. I don't get too hung up on the tune (as long as its not too hot) and pipes and all that crap. Whatever, it just works.
So much of nitro racing seems on just tuning the motor. BL frees you from this to focus on tuning the rest of the car. The races tend be less about who stalls out first to lose.

[jayjay283]

and there you have it, stall meisters LOL

[George16]

River, hurry up with your conversion. I bet after running your first brushless motor that you'll be hook into it more than you'll realize. Speed challenge threads in the trx forum are just a way to boost the ego of those kids. Just look at the quality of posts they're making. I would like to do speed runs too but theyre is not enough space to do it safely here. I wish I was still stationed in Hawaii so I can do speed runs at the runway of the old Barber's Point air station.

Anyway, I can't remember who has this signature. It goes something like this:

I love nitro, I start it, run it for 50 feet. It dies, walk to it, perfect exercise.

[Rivermaxx]

Why should I "put up" I never said one bad thing about any brushless setups . In fact I believe I praised nic case for his acheivments. Maybe you guys who have had bad experiences with nitro are buying crap nitro engines. A cheap<$200 chinese 427 or a lrp.28 dont have nothing as far as power and reliabilty compared to a good $300- $500 OS, RB or Novarossi engine. It like comparing hyundai's to a ferrari. Lito you are probably right I probably will love the brushless setup I get. I just want to see the guys bashing nitro show their stuff.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Why should I "put up" I never said one bad thing about any brushless setups . In fact I believe I praised nic case for his acheivments. Maybe you guys who have had bad experiences with nitro are buying crap nitro engines. A cheap<$200 chinese 427 or a lrp.28 dont have nothing as far as power and reliabilty compared to a good $300- $500 OS, RB or Novarossi engine. It like comparing hyundai's to a ferrari. Lito you are probably right I probably will love the brushless setup I get. I just want to see the guys bashing nitro show their stuff.

I have a feeling you will find quite a few people on here who dislike nitro, as this is a mainly brushless electric forum...

Kinda like the guys on the traxxas forum bashing hpi stuff...

And a 500 dollar nitro engine will still not keep up with the $300 castle 2200 system on 6s lipo. It may run better and last longer than a cheaper big block but it will still only make so much power and rev so high. Nitro motors cannot compete with elctric in power or torque production, or rpm...

And before someone metions the battery cost... A decent 6s lipo can be had for around 250 bucks, and should get about 200 cycles if treated properly. So that equates to about 67 hours of use (asuming 20 min runtime, which is very a very low estimate for a 6s setup).

Now nitro costs 30-35 bucks a gallon, so 250 bucks will get you about 8 gallons. That is around 30,000cc so about 200 tanks of fuel (150cc tank). Now most big blocks can go thru a tank of fuel faster than 20mins... So the lipo is cheaper than the nitro fuel over the lifetime of the setup. Not sure if a nitro engine can do 8 hrs without rebuild, so you might want to factor in some parts.

In any case I think you will enjoy electric almost as much as you enjoy arguing....

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Why should I "put up" I never said one bad thing about any brushless setups . In fact I believe I praised nic case for his acheivments. Maybe you guys who have had bad experiences with nitro are buying crap nitro engines. A cheap<$200 chinese 427 or a lrp.28 dont have nothing as far as power and reliabilty compared to a good $300- $500 OS, RB or Novarossi engine. It like comparing hyundai's to a ferrari. Lito you are probably right I probably will love the brushless setup I get. I just want to see the guys bashing nitro show their stuff.

The amt spent could be said for anything in any hobby, but the point is why spend $500 on a nitro motor when you can get more for less w/ BL? In fact why would you put a $500 motor (don't forget the $70+ pipe) in a stock Savage?
You can get a castle setup for cheap and it takes all the work out of picking setups out. Get some inexpensive good lipos, like Mike's, Neus or Zippies and you are ready to rock for less than that, and it will run for years.

Check out my simple Crt.5 video. 60mph easy, yet easy to tune down for the track or backyard driving. The setup is a bit diff now, but just as fast. A <$80 sidewinder esc, a $100 medusa motor, and a $35 lipo. I'm getting two years + of great use out of my lipos. I dare you to find a nitro that can do that and for that price.

I'm really not into crazy speed runs, but all my setups are more than fast enough. Plenty of vids if you care to browse. My first BL revo did wheelies to 50 mph and was a cheap chinese $50 feigao XL and a $120 MM. I still have the $110 trueRc lipo, motor and esc (in crt.5 sometimes :) ) nearly 3 years later.

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by jayjay283

my favorite thing about nitro was the police can hear you from a mile away playing in a parking lot at 2am obviously under the influence, and it gives our civil servants a good hour to make fun of you and ask you crap about your car while noticing how red eyed you are knowing your heart is about to fall out of your chest. Brushless is like a 9mm with a silencer LOL. I roll that thing in a lot by my house (old sears closed down) and the police station is less that a block away. Never had "the man" roll up on me

Yes but at least they cannot arrest you for DUI driving the nitro.

[Ryu James]

Rivermaxx,

here is just a couple of videos to whet your appetite (you ever seen a nitro throw a 10lb muggy in the air like that from sheer torque? i doubt it!). and if i could get my DVD camcorder mini dvd's to download i could show you more. my bare bones setup not even geared for speed that does 55-60mph. if i threw in some gearing like a 22/45 like i am sure your friend did who has the 66mph revo my truggy would be doing like 100mph. (i run 13/46 and 15/48 by the way.) go look at the RC calculator and do the math. and plus, i started this thread simply saying that Nitro cars are dirty as hell and that i love brushless. i can't help it if everyone who has passion for the brushless wants to express their opinion. its a forum, what do you expect??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85v85Pn3DMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7GdkNpKAY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR-6d...next=1&index=3

ps. i only posted the boat racing link cuz boat racing seems to be at the forefront of speed technology in the RC indsustry....and they dont run nitro.

I GUARANTEE when you convert your first kit you will never look back. then no one will need to "back it up" or "walk the walk". you will have convinced yourself. that is the only one who can convince you anyway. no matter how much i tell you about my 60mph truggies (3 of them) or my 70 mph Schumacher you wont believe it until you build/drive one yourself. we are already walking the walk. we do what we love!! what more is there???

OH, AND LEST WE FORGET, THIS IS ALL JUST FRIENDLY BANTER. NOT ACTUAL HEATED DEBATE. AT LEAST IT IS FOR ME. I DONT THINK ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY "HATES" NITRO. WE JUST HAVE A MUCH DEEPER APPRECIATION FOR THE FINER THINGS IN LIFE.

I do have to comment on the nitro motors

You all know im a BL freak, so...

I personally race nitro TC, and my MTX4R paired up with a RB R3, and a Ninja Ti pipe is AMAZING. The RB ALWAYS starts, I mean ALWAYS. You guys make it sound like there is a ton of stuff to carry, if your at the track then you move it once to the pits, I carry a starter box (with lipos in it lmao) glow ignitor, fuel bottle, temp gun, screw driver. Temp gun and screwdriver in my pocket, fuel bottle, starter box, car, and radio. Its not horrible

BUT, NEVER, I mean NEVER will I take nitro over electric, nitro racing is fun, pit stops and messing with your motor and everything adds to the challenge of racing, keeps the blood moving, and fun factor high.

Will be cool to see what electric 8th does for 09, and coming years. Personally I will be wheeling a nitro, and BL buggy this summer. More classes, more practice right?

[starscream]

Originally Posted by Ryu James

ps. i only posted the boat racing link cuz boat racing seems to be at the forefront of speed technology in the RC indsustry....and they dont run nitro.

I GUARANTEE when you convert your first kit you will never look back. then no one will need to "back it up" or "walk the walk". you will have convinced yourself. that is the only one who can convince you anyway. no matter how much i tell you about my 60mph truggies (3 of them) or my 70 mph Schumacher you wont believe it until you build/drive one yourself. we are already walking the walk. we do what we love!! what more is there???

OH, AND LEST WE FORGET, THIS IS ALL JUST FRIENDLY BANTER. NOT ACTUAL HEATED DEBATE. AT LEAST IT IS FOR ME. I DONT THINK ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY "HATES" NITRO. WE JUST HAVE A MUCH DEEPER APPRECIATION FOR THE FINER THINGS IN LIFE.

No worries Ryu James. I think if anyone should take my opinions personally then they should just sit down with a good beer or drink and relax a bit.

I can see the need for some hard evidence behind certain statements but as far as "back it up" or "walk the walk"... I "put my money where my mouth is" and thats all things electric

Anyway, debates are usually a good thing (heated or otherwise) as they can lead to a better understanding and additional insight to points of view you may not have been privey to before. Just don't get carried away with personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you. We all know the "Golden Rule" which you won't find in the ROAR rule book

Though I really do dislike Nitro with a vengence but then again I cant stand cigaret smoke either
Its not the smoker I don't like its the damn smoke...

[_paralyzed_]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

I am not trying to change anyones mine if anything I want you guys to change my mind I am open minded. I am just wanting to see all the nitro haters back up their claims. Nothing personal to anyone but if your going to bash nitro at least be the winner of the race. Right?

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Whats the saying "Put up or shut up" So far nic case is the only one who can walk the walk and talk the talk. heres a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLOGAvhyJ84 Now that is awesome!!.

Guys! Guys! You are preaching to the choir! Rivermaxx is saying hes on board.

Rivermaxx- you missed post 19 somehow, but here's the video link of jzemaxx driving a large xtm mammoth monster truck 80.4 mph. Put up or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERY9_TLF86M&feature=user

[E-Revonut]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Well so far the fastest proven top speed for a revo is 66mph held by a nitro on the Traxxas forum. Hmm Let see wheres that hat with the propeller on it LOL. I can tell you what my full Supermaxx with an eb modded novarossi 528 xrp definatly is no slouch. I expect it to go ~65mph because I have heard a lower powered SM go 72mph. Cmon I still see you guys having problems with burning up ecms and frying $300 brushless motors you cant say electrics dont have their problems also, lets be honest. I plan on doing a conversion on one of my trucks and have been reading alot on this forum for about 2 weeks. Ive see all of the problems you guys are still having I just dont want to put down the cash and have any issues. You must realize nitro is proven and has been around a long time for rc's. If your going to bash it makes me want to ask that person if they drive a 1:1 gasoline or deisel powered vehicle and if so their a hypocrite for not driving a hybrid or electric car. Yes I know electrics are the future and nitros are on their way out. But until then nitros are still on top untill the brushless mills start winning more races.

Obviouslly You've never been to the barn and raced the owner of this site, Mike Cronen! I'm sure he could put any nitro to shame with his conversions, wait...He has!!! At the RC-M bash in September the only class that wasn't mixed was truggy. Every other class wasm mixed and I'm pretty sure that electrics won everytime! I know Chris, Arct1k won the long jump and at least placed in buggy and I think MT, Mike won truggy and MT I think. Most of us on here would put out BL vehicles up against a Nitro anyday!! I know I will!!! I'm still waiting to put my E-REVO up againgst a 1/8th nitro buggy with the guy I work with. If I can't beat him, I'll just run him over!!!

[Ryu James]

hello??? Rivermaxx?? where are you?? i wanted to hear your thoughts on the videos that have been posted now. what do you think? you wanted some proof and we have delivered. just curious what you think.

ps. be sure to post your conversion when you build. would love to see it. good luck. what did you say you want to convert? any exact plans of when you will start?

[Rivermaxx]

Pretty impressive, anyone else? how about jayjay? since he was the first too challenge me. Lets see what what you got.

[Mozzy]

I only converted my cars to BL due to the blood clots in my lungs as I couldn't cope with the fumes.
Now that I've had the op to fix me up to 3/4 healthy, nitro fumes are no longer a problem, but, I will never convert my cars back.
I have to race a nitro truggy for work reasons & I'm not allowed to run at the local club with my BL's. They keep telling me that it's unfair as mine is faster & I have ALL the power settings on the lowest!

Electric is the way of the future.