I'm her biggest fan!!!!

I am surprised that Thimerosal is still being used in the usa whilst the rest of the civilised world has banned it.

However i wonder how certain are you that the vacine caused this disorder ie diagnosing someone with autism before the age of 18 months with autism is notoriously difficult.

What is really needed is a test that proves that the autism was caused by the Thimerosal as opposed to ocuring naturally.

what people fail to realise is that the reason these diseases are no longer a threat is because of the imunisation of the general public to them.
As soon as the general population stops taking the vaccinations risks of widespread outbreaks become a real danger and will kill many children.

You only have to look to countries like africa to realise how dangerous diseases such as tuberculosis are to a large population.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1294236.stm

[lutach]

Originally Posted by chilledoutuk

I am surprised that Thimerosal is still being used in the usa whilst the rest of the civilised world has banned it.

However i wonder how certain are you that the vacine caused this disorder ie diagnosing someone with autism before the age of 18 months with autism is notoriously difficult.

What is really needed is a test that proves that the autism was caused by the Thimerosal as opposed to ocuring naturally.

what people fail to realise is that the reason these diseases are no longer a threat is because of the imunisation of the general public to them.
As soon as the general population stops taking the vaccinations risks of widespread outbreaks become a real danger and will kill many children.

You only have to look to countries like africa to realise how dangerous diseases such as tuberculosis are to a large population.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1294236.stm

Well, my daughter after taking one of the booster shot started having high fever. I read in other sites that other children had same results. It was really strange because before she was really health and not getting sick at all. We will get some answer one day. I'm very glad you came here though. One thing I have to say, is that there are many vaccines in the US that I have no clue what they are for. In Brasil we get shots for the major diseases and paralysis, but that is it.

[lutach]

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[Sower]

Originally Posted by chilledoutuk

I am surprised that Thimerosal is still being used in the usa whilst the rest of the civilised world has banned it.

However i wonder how certain are you that the vacine caused this disorder ie diagnosing someone with autism before the age of 18 months with autism is notoriously difficult.

What is really needed is a test that proves that the autism was caused by the Thimerosal as opposed to ocuring naturally.

what people fail to realise is that the reason these diseases are no longer a threat is because of the imunisation of the general public to them.
As soon as the general population stops taking the vaccinations risks of widespread outbreaks become a real danger and will kill many children.

You only have to look to countries like africa to realise how dangerous diseases such as tuberculosis are to a large population.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1294236.stm

While you're right in saying there's no way to prove it right now - it's a pretty good area for investigation based on the correlation of Autism cases increasing so steadily in direct relation to vaccinations.

It is not totally correct to say that vaccines stopping would kill a bunch of children. The biggest reason these diseases are not around anymore is largely due to sanitation. The countries you mention have serious problems with sewage or other issues of cleanliness. However, I can't deny that vaccines did help dramatically reduce diseases. Vaccines are not totally bad - don't get me wrong. I just feel they're not always used in their proper application and that there's too many of them. That's all I'm trying to say.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by Sower

While you're right in saying there's no way to prove it right now - it's a pretty good area for investigation based on the correlation of Autism cases increasing so steadily in direct relation to vaccinations.

It is not totally correct to say that vaccines stopping would kill a bunch of children. The biggest reason these diseases are not around anymore is largely due to sanitation. The countries you mention have serious problems with sewage or other issues of cleanliness. However, I can't deny that vaccines did help dramatically reduce diseases. Vaccines are not totally bad - don't get me wrong. I just feel they're not always used in their proper application and that there's too many of them. That's all I'm trying to say.

Yes, vaccines do help, but there are just too many in the USA. Some are not even to protect against those diseases. You are correct about sanitation and yes some countries have awful sanitation problems.

sadly since the vast majority of the population takes a vaccine it becomes impossible to statistically link it to certain side affects.

for example if 50% of the population took a vaccine and they had dramatically more cases of autism than the other 50% then you could say that there is a clear link between autism and the vacinations.

but when there is no decent volume of people for a comparison you could link the vaccinations with almost anything.

for example you could argue that there is a link between vaccinations and psychosis as most of the people with psycosis had vaccinations then some people could say there is a clear link.

i Think that genetics plays a big part in the development of autism as has been shown in twin studies:

One study showed that the likelihood that the identical twin of an autistic child also would be autistic was 82 percent, whereas the equivalent rate for fraternal twins was only 10 percent.

With sophisticated statistical techniques and numerous twin studies, behavioral geneticists now believe that as much as 90 percent of the behavioral phenotype of autism is related to inherited genes.

Such a high genetic contribution appears to be the exception rather than the rule when considering complex behaviors. This is probably because a relatively small number of genes may be involved in autism (but certainly more than one), whereas other behaviors may be influenced by many genes.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by chilledoutuk

sadly since the vast majority of the population takes a vaccine it becomes impossible to statistically link it to certain side affects.

for example if 50% of the population took a vaccine and they had dramatically more cases of autism than the other 50% then you could say that there is a clear link between autism and the vacinations.

but when there is no decent volume of people for a comparison you could link the vaccinations with almost anything.

for example you could argue that there is a link between vaccinations and psychosis as most of the people with psycosis had vaccinations then some people could say there is a clear link.

i Think that genetics plays a big part in the development of autism as has been shown in twin studies:

Before the 1980s there were not so many cases of Autism. After they actually started introducing new vaccines, that's when it got out of hand. Like I said before, people in Brasil don't really know what Autism is. It took a while for me to explain to my family, friends and clients. If I were to go back to Brasil, I would actually have to move from my home town to Rio De Janeiro. In post #27 it actually proves that the vaccine had something to do: http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...3&postcount=27 and if the vaccine given is to blame, then the US will have to explain to a lot of people what went wrong. How many cases of Autism are reported in the UK? I now know Sweden is 4-5 a year http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...5&postcount=23.

[Sower]

Originally Posted by chilledoutuk

sadly since the vast majority of the population takes a vaccine it becomes impossible to statistically link it to certain side affects.

for example if 50% of the population took a vaccine and they had dramatically more cases of autism than the other 50% then you could say that there is a clear link between autism and the vacinations.

but when there is no decent volume of people for a comparison you could link the vaccinations with almost anything.

for example you could argue that there is a link between vaccinations and psychosis as most of the people with psycosis had vaccinations then some people could say there is a clear link.

i Think that genetics plays a big part in the development of autism as has been shown in twin studies:

Well, actually if you look at Amish communities - they have never had Autism. They don't vaccinate either. Interesting coincidence? Maybe but sure raises my eyebrows.

[pb4ugo]

As a loving father of five, I can appreciate the bond you have with your daughter, Lutach. She is a gorgeous girl.

I also appreciate the awareness brought into this thread. It has strengthened my resolve to research every proposed treatment for my children.

Can the political bashing and/or discussion please be saved for an appropriate site, such as politicsfirst?

[lutach]

Originally Posted by Sower

Well, actually if you look at Amish communities - they have never had Autism. They don't vaccinate either. Interesting coincidence? Maybe but sure raises my eyebrows.

Good one. I'll look into this as well.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by pb4ugo

As a loving father of five, I can appreciate the bond you have with your daughter, Lutach. She is a gorgeous girl.

I also appreciate the awareness brought into this thread. It has strengthened my resolve to research every proposed treatment for my children.

Can the political bashing and/or discussion please be saved for an appropriate site, such as politicsfirst?

As you may know, politics might be involved in this as well. We have seen folks in here who home school their beautiful kids, because they can't go to school without all the vaccines given to them. I know a few people who are connected with politics and I will bring some good points from here to their attention.

[lutach]

I just received a mail through youtube and it says, "Sir,

We are going to post your video to the Autism Speaks Channel on YouTube.

We are moving to make the AS Channel more communal and will begin including user submitted videos.

Thank you for the submission and please check out autismspeaks.org for more information and resources.

Best!
AS Multimedia Team".

[captain harlock]

You're one loving father, Lu. I guess all fathers are the same. With your love alone, your daughter will surely overcome her problem and she will develop into a lovely lady unlike anyother.

BTW, have you moved to Dubai, yet, or do you have other plans?

[Hickoryhead]

Originally Posted by lutach

I just received a mail through youtube and it says, "Sir,

We are going to post your video to the Autism Speaks Channel on YouTube.

We are moving to make the AS Channel more communal and will begin including user submitted videos.

Thank you for the submission and please check out autismspeaks.org for more information and resources.

Best!
AS Multimedia Team".

Congrats!!!!!!!

[phildogg]

thats great !!
phil