MMM availibility date dropped!

[jhautz]

Originally Posted by Mister-T

From Rcgroups forum, Mr del castillo

"This is why we no longer share with the public what projects we are working on. The Mamba Monster Maxx was the last. If people cannot deal with the time required to finalize a product, test it, and get packaging ready, then we won't release ANY advanced information.

You will now need to wait until the product is released to learn anything about it.

And yes, we ARE RELEASING the Monster Maxx BEFORE the motor is ready. We won't have a motor until early - mid summer. The ESC will be released as soon as we have a case ready. And no, we are not purposely holding back the release FOR ANY REASON. That would be stupid and pointless."


Patrick

They keep talking about how they no longer share the information with the public.... yet they keep yapping it up. This is a perfect example of "stupid and pointless"

Why not just shut up and do it. These guys are their own worst enemy and from the tone it sounds like they are getting mad at the consumers for actually thinking that they should deliver what they said they were going to deliver.

Did I hear a new date rining in that statement.... early to mid summer....

STOP IT MAN!!!! JUST STOP IT!!!!! If you stop telling people dates they will stop expecting them and stop getting on your case when you don't deliver.

[sleebus.jones]

Originally Posted by hobbimaster

Well, that is some good news if indeed they release the MMM before the motor. Probably 99% of us on here already have $300 Neu motors, hacker, fiego's anyway.
I'm still waiting for CC to update there software to work with Vista properly.

Originally Posted by MetalMan

Castle Link works 100% on my Vista 32bit laptop.

Originally Posted by lxmuff

Same.

Originally Posted by TexasSP

Ditto on vista.

Same here. Works great on my Q1 ultra with vista:



All you have to do is run the install file as administrator (even if you already are admin on the box) and it'll install fine.

UMPC FTW!

Sleeb

[Arct1k]

Mixed results on 64bit vista - CCBEC works, MM does not...

[TexasSP]

The thing is that CC is now between a rock and a hard place, if they don't give out anymore info, now that everyone knows about it, everyone will get angry and wonder what's up. However, if they do give out info, they have to make sure it's perfect or everyone will get angry. It's all lose-lose for CC until the thing is released. Obviously they have learned their lesson and will keep projects under wraps from now on.

I see no point in getting upset with them, it doesn't accomplish anything for me. It's not like anyone else is trying hard to develop a 6s 200 amp system except for tekin but even there nothing is coming to fruition and nobody has any real specs on it yet either.

For me I will wait and watch the updates with mild enthusiasm then get excited when it's released. Even if it is until next year, it's not like the MMM is holding me up from enjoying my RC's and there are some (albeit more expensive) alternatives out there.

[bdebde]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

The thing is that CC is now between a rock and a hard place, if they don't give out anymore info, now that everyone knows about it, everyone will get angry and wonder what's up. However, if they do give out info, they have to make sure it's perfect or everyone will get angry. It's all lose-lose for CC until the thing is released. Obviously they have learned their lesson and will keep projects under wraps from now on.

I see no point in getting upset with them, it doesn't accomplish anything for me. It's not like anyone else is trying hard to develop a 6s 200 amp system except for tekin but even there nothing is coming to fruition and nobody has any real specs on it yet either.

For me I will wait and watch the updates with mild enthusiasm then get excited when it's released. Even if it is until next year, it's not like the MMM is holding me up from enjoying my RC's and there are some (albeit more expensive) alternatives out there.

Exactly; no use getting upset!



Gotta love that too!

[kulangflow]

Just got off the phone with CC about the "Sidewinder Micro". They actually started upgrading the Mamba25's to be 35A controllers 6 months ago without telling anybody.

Now they're just re-badging it and dropping the price $20 for a better controller.

I also sent them an out of warranty MM that was almost unrecognizable, and they're giving me a brand new one for $50 shipped.

MMM aside, I've been really impressed with everything else they've done. And when the MMM gets here, I'm sure I'll be really impressed with it too.

I am very excited for the future of R/C.

[Mister-T]

Castle will probably stay on the "when it's done" rule by now, I just hope they will not completly disappear from community forums because of this.

Getting support and technical comment on brushless technology is priceless, and definitly prove that they like what they do (like a recent large explanation post from a castle guy about capacitor on battery input)

[glassdoctor]

The Mamba25 has evolved since they first came out with it. A couple years ago when Shawn was still there he told me then that they could probably have renamed it Mamba35. It has better fets and other components than the first release.

The real reason, imo... for the new Sidewinder tag and cheaper price.... is to make room for the all new 1/18 :D

[team3six]

Well, Here is my two cents.

I think the main reason just about all of us are upset about this is not only is Castle aware that we are looking forward to the release of the MMM, but they keep dropping date after date after date! The problem is just that! I have personaly dealt with Castle for along time and I rarely have ever seen so much political mumbo jumbo as with the release of this MMM. I honestly hope that Dan and the gang at Castle are reading these posts because honestly we the consumers are your best friends and your worst enemy! You keep bitting the hand that feeds you and eventually your gonna have to be put down. Quit making empty statements and promises of dates and then get caught in your own words. Your running a business based on a limited consumer where it is a must to be presise in what you say and how you say it! In the business I am in, No matter what the weather is. If we say we are going to get it done by that date, it's getting done. No and, if, or buts. There is no room for error and objectives need to be set in stone with a reasonably set time limit. You dont go to McDonalds drive thru to make an order and when you get to the window they tell you to return next week for your order! And if we are talking about apple to oranges, Well you dont go to a store to buy a computer to have them tell you it will be built by next year and we will call you!

The one point that castle should realize is that alot of us here are waiting for that package! Not just the ESC, But the whole deal! Im just affraid that my patience as a faithful consumer for over 3 years who has done nothing less then praise Castle with everyone intrested in Electronics. Im affraid that my relationship with Castle might end based on the one pet peeve that annoys me to no end! I hate being lied to.

Now I might be one person, but words have a way of spreading and so do results. With results like this following email (posted below) from Castle, I have no doubt that the business practices that Castle displays only reflects the true meaning of what we as consumers mean to Castle Creations.

On an end note I will say this. Besides the wrong of posting dates and making false statements. I can only hope that I am wrong and Castle will return us with respect for our dedication and patience. Look at the Microsoft XBOX, we all waited, those who got it and in that wait we recieved what pressure to meet dates can get us. CRAP! 1 out 4 XBOX'S crash. And this was supposed to be the god send of gaming technology. Lets hope Castle doesnt give us the same results.

(the email sent to me today from Castle)

"Not allowed to give out any more information per the owner of the
company. Too many people getting upset that it's taking a while to get
final product development done."

Joe Ford
Product Specialist
Castle Creations

[jhautz]

Originally Posted by team3six

"Not allowed to give out any more information per the owner of the
company. Too many people getting upset that it's taking a while to get
final product development done."

Joe Ford
Product Specialist
Castle Creations

At last... It only took 2 years to learn that. Good job castle.

Now it will be, when it is, and no dates to worry everyone about.


EDIT: Now if they can just avoid falling into a relapse of givin-n-missin-daten-itis disease...
.................................................. ..............................^^^Scientific term^^^

[MTBikerTim]

Originally Posted by team3six

You dont go to McDonalds drive thru to make an order and when you get to the window they tell you to return next week for your order!

No one has placed an order for an MMM yet though. I don't think we are all upset, I'm disappointed it's not going to be out this month but I would definitely prefer a good well finished product then something that is rushed and has the same problems all the other controllers have. If what castle was doing was easy there would be 10 other comparable escs on the market already.

That being said, what castle should be saying is "That due to unforeseen problems with something have caused yet another delay. We are sorry for the inconvenience and we will no longer giving estimated release dates as not to jinx ourselves. It will be done when it's done. Once again sorry for any inconvenience but it will be worth the wait."

[lincpimp]

I think I have a solution to this problem.

I am eagerly awaiting the release of the mmm. But I suddenly realized what am I going to put it in? I have a decent selection of 5s batteries, and motors to go with those batteries. So I started looking at the setups I have that seem to be on the edge of running correctly. My revo with the 7xl and the mm seems to be the best candidate, as it can pull some juice, and I need a better esc. But it would be nice to run 6s in something, and use the MMM capability. All of my 5s setups use quark escs, and all of them work fine, so no need to replace anything. I guess that I will have to by a pair of 3000 mah or so 3s lipos to run 6s with. FP 3300 cells?

So I did the only thing I could, I just bought a crt roller, and will use the MMM in that! Yes I know, the pimp needs another vehicle, like he needs another hole in his head. Oh well, almost finished with everyhting else, and the aftershock needs to be pushed back again, so this will do it!

I find having 10 or so unfinshed vehicles really keeps ones mind of pesky things like the MMM release date!

[glassdoctor]

Actually... can anyone here name a release date? I don't recall any...

Seems like I'm a lone ranger in supporting CC here. I agree that they keep dangling a carrot but are not delivering. It's a classic Charlie Brown vs. Lucy thing.

But... most of the talk about the MMM has been "off the record" type of comments. The projections or prognostications about a release date have been rather vague IIRC.

IMO, anyone who is all bent out of shape over this needs to stop living-n-dying over the MMM and understand that Castle doesn't owe you anything for not meeting your hoped-for time frame.

Thanks to all the crying and bitching... now we likely will only get the typical BS answers about what's going on. I would much rather have straight talk and be disappointed (along with the guys at CC) with continued delays.

For everyone who says their boss would fire them or their company would loose a contract with this type of "performance".... that's great. The same thing applies here with Castle. Any pissed off customers can "fire" them and go buy the MMM from someone else. Oh yeah.... there is no one else to buy it from. Funny how that works.

I have my gripes about this too, but it has more to do with questioning the priority CC put on the MMM project (and how much that has impacted the delay) and not about how they handle public relations.

Peace LOL

[ssspconcepts]

There's always Quark, MGM, and Shultz...all overseas companies. I guess that's what bothers me most...I would think that would kinda irk others too.

[JERRY2KONE]

I think everyone is bent out of shape for the same reason, and that is we still do not have the MMM in hand. Your right G Dr. that is totally our problem not CC's. Your not alone in this opinion. It has been said a few times that we all just need to take a deep breath and calm down. Life just keeps moving forward weather we have the MMM or not. If the time line does not meet with anyones schedule then spend the extra $$$ and get one of the other ESC's out there. Give CC a little respect for even attempting this bold move for us. Build it and we will buy it, today, tomorrow or next month. Hey Pimp why don't you send in a butler monkey to straighten all of this out for CC. HA HA HA