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TexasSP · 05.03.2008, 10:47 PM

because roar does more to hold the hobby back than help it progress.

Thankfully, most people out there don't race in roar sanctioned classes if they even race at all. Most of the hobby is made up of bashers anyway. I could care less if the motors are roar compliant or not. Most of what I run or am interested in running is not roar compliant.

tc3_racer_001 · 05.03.2008, 11:06 PM

the lipo issue is relivant, but banning senosrless and the like seems as if novak paid them well...

lincpimp · 05.03.2008, 11:10 PM

I can't blame them, can you imagine trying to drive a powerful sensorless setup? With the improvements in lipo that are coming, a really powerful car could be built. But racing is usually trying to get the cars similar, so that driver skill is what is competing, not who has the most powerful car.

tc3_racer_001 · 05.03.2008, 11:41 PM

true. but you DO (proven fact) go faster with a less powerful car that can be controlled rather than some stupidly high powered setup that spends most of its time outside the fastest line. ill leave it at this, dont care for a big thread in the wrong thread!

lincpimp · 05.03.2008, 11:44 PM

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true. but you DO (proven fact) go faster with a less powerful car that can be controlled rather than some stupidly high powered setup that spends most of its time outside the fastest line. ill leave it at this, dont care for a big thread in the wrong thread!

This is true, only so much power can be handled by the current crop of electric on road cars. Imagine if 1/8 scale electric on road became popular! I can easily see some big power systems, and expansive tracks too. Current 10th cars are only good for a certain size track and that is what the current selection of roar legal stuff caters to.

tc3_racer_001 · 05.03.2008, 11:49 PM

theres one that was built in brisbane and the vid on youtube makes it look slow. its scary fast and if it hit someone, expect at least a week in hospital. I was talking to one of the guys in the vid who was mashalling and he reconed that if such a class existed he would refuse to marshal, just becuase u cant hear them coming... and for draining 3 high capacity lipos in less than 6 minutes... well... i can think of more fun things to do with the hr or so waiting for them to recharge!

JeffEmbracedDC · 05.04.2008, 01:04 AM

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the lipo issue is relivant, but banning senosrless and the like seems as if novak paid them well...

Not sure what you're referring to - but Roar has not banned sensorless systems. Sensorless motors and controllers are completely roar legal assuming they fall in to their other restrictions (rotor diameter, solder points, company name stamped on endbell, and most of all, rebuildable).

I'd be surprised if they came out with any "pro" 1/10th motors unless you considered castle-style neu 1509/1506 motors to fit that category. Though, who knows.

sleebus.jones · 05.04.2008, 01:08 PM

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and most of all, rebuildable

Yeah, because after 10,000 hours of running, I'm going to need some new bearings.

JeffEmbracedDC · 05.04.2008, 01:32 PM

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Yeah, because after 10,000 hours of running, I'm going to need some new bearings.

haha. Go brushless. Still, though... If you're serving your motor any kind of justice it's bound to get a little dirty once in a while. It''s nice to be able to flush any grime and extra oil away.

-Jeff

Mister-T · 05.06.2008, 06:20 AM

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Not sure what you're referring to - but Roar has not banned sensorless systems. Sensorless motors and controllers are completely roar legal assuming they fall in to their other restrictions (rotor diameter, solder points, company name stamped on endbell, and most of all, rebuildable).

I'd be surprised if they came out with any "pro" 1/10th motors unless you considered castle-style neu 1509/1506 motors to fit that category. Though, who knows.

wrong, for example Tekin motor are rebuildable, with solde tabs and engraved endbell, they still failed ROAR approval why ?
They are delta wound,

ROAR legal motor must be Y wound motor, which is obviously more difficult to drive sensorless :/ ...

Sammus · 05.06.2008, 07:17 AM

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ROAR legal motor must be Y wound motor, which is obviously more difficult to drive sensorless :/ ...

Why is Y obviously more difficult to drive sensorless?

lutach · 05.06.2008, 09:50 AM

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wrong, for example Tekin motor are rebuildable, with solde tabs and engraved endbell, they still failed ROAR approval why ?
They are delta wound,

ROAR legal motor must be Y wound motor, which is obviously more difficult to drive sensorless :/ ...

You guys want to know a strange thing and why I don't like ROAR at all. The Trinity N60 and N40 are both Feigaos 380C and they seem to be Delta wound and they both are approved by ROAR. ROAR to me is like the FIA, but ROAR board seems to be getting their hands wet $$$$$$$ if you kow what I mean.

crazyjr · 01:16 PM

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You guys want to know a strange thing and why I don't like ROAR at all. The Trinity N60 and N40 are both Feigaos 380C and they seem to be Delta wound and they both are approved by ROAR. ROAR to me is like the FIA, but ROAR board seems to be getting their hands wet $$$$$$$ if you kow what I mean.

Thats quite a claim, If its true, thats a heck of a conspiracy towards other brushless manufacturers. Because its in the rules that Y winds are the only ones legal.

I just checked the roar rules and trinity, the only brushless motors trinity is saying are legal are the duo 10.5 and 17.5 motors

lutach · 05.06.2008, 01:48 PM

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Thats quite a claim, If its true, thats a heck of a conspiracy towards other brushless manufacturers. Because its in the rules that Y winds are the only ones legal.

I just checked the roar rules and trinity, the only brushless motors trinity is saying are legal are the duo 10.5 and 17.5 motors

Look at the bottom and it says they are ROAR legal http://www.superiorhobbies.com/istar...&id=TRI0201!SH.

I opened my Feigao 380C http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...AO_380C&cat=20 and my Trinity N60 and they look the same. You guys be the judge. I can't find my camera and once I do I'll show you guys the inside of both.

05.06.2008, 01:52 PM

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wrong, for example Tekin motor are rebuildable, with solde tabs and engraved endbell, they still failed ROAR approval why ?
They are delta wound,

ROAR legal motor must be Y wound motor, which is obviously more difficult to drive sensorless :/ ...

Rotor is probably too big and MOST of the redline motors are probably delta wound (since most, but not all, are whole turns and do not have "half turns"). There's a few things that need to be met.

This is why I don't race... Too much politics and BS.