ROAR approval of non novak ESC's and Motors

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by alangsam

i appreciate your response. Isnt Bob head of the committee?
as an active on-road racer i am interested in the advancement of the technology. the current spec requires everyone to exactly replicate/copy the novak motor design down to the colors of the wires. this is not required to keep the integrity of the inspection process. this is an older design and frankly when you look at the motors you have listed they are basically identical. yes some of the OEM's have indeed done this but it isnt moving the sport forward and creating the environment to push the envelope. Why would they want to spend R&D to produce something with no differentiation other than the amount the brand can carry? We should expect ROAR to go from one to the other. They desperately need to move to avoid becoming irrelevant. It hasnt happend because Novak chose to promote the older design which is all they have vs change to rpm/kv.
I suspect as soon as novak decides to produce such a design ROAR specs will change, not before then. This is very obvious to the racing community.

I would like to see these questions answered as well.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

I would like to see these questions answered as well.

I thought that I had addressed these questions in an earlier post.

i appreciate your response. Isnt Bob head of the committee?

as an active on-road racer i am interested in the advancement of the technology. the current spec requires everyone to exactly replicate/copy the novak motor design down to the colors of the wires. this is not required to keep the integrity of the inspection process.

this is an older design and frankly when you look at the motors you have listed they are basically identical. yes some of the OEM's have indeed If novskdone this but it isnt moving the sport forward and creating the environment to push the envelope. Why would they want to spend R&D to produce something with no differentiation other than the amount the brand can carry?

We should expect ROAR to go from one to the other. They desperately need to move to avoid becoming irrelevant. It hasnt happend because Novak chose to promote the older design which is all they have vs change to rpm/kv.

I suspect as soon as novak decides to produce such a design ROAR specs will change, not before then. This is very obvious to the racing community.

Bob is not now, nor has he ever been, head of the ROAR brushless motor committee.

The entire goal of the ROAR stock rules was to nail down the specs so that all motors sold for ROAR stock racing would have virtually the same performance. Any motor sellers, who want to offer motors for stock, have to follow these rules. So far, 8 companies have had their motors approved for Stock racing.

ROAR rules require the specific colors, and sequencing of the sensor wires.

If Novak designs a new motor, we would have to follow the ROAR guidelines for submitting a proposal to amend the existing rules. Then all members of the BL motor committee would have to vote in favor of amending the rules to accommodate our new proposal. Not very likely.

[wade7575]

I think if ROAR really cared they never should have asked Bob anything about designing a Brushless motor for ROAR and instead should have asked Bob and 3 to 4 other ESC and Motor maker's to sit in on the meeting and ROAR should have old them to all go away and don't come back until all of you can agree on a common design.If it would have been done this way then no one could be saying that one company and olny one is looking out for there own vested interest.But if you ask me the whole thing still stink's.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by wade7575

I think if ROAR really cared they never should have asked Bob anything about designing a Brushless motor for ROAR and instead should have asked Bob and 3 to 4 other ESC and Motor maker's to sit in on the meeting and

ROAR should have old them to all go away and don't come back until all of you can agree on a common design.If it would have been done this way then no one could be saying that one company and olny one is looking out for there own vested interest.But if you ask me the whole thing still stink's.

When Novak spent several years designing, prototyping, testing and investing in the tooling for our first BL motors (4300 and 5800), there was no guarantee that ROAR would ever consider our motors, or any other BL motors, for inclusion in racing. All the R&D and investment was a huge risk for the company.

None of the existing brush companies had shown any interest in developing BL motors, which Novak felt (early in this century) would be an enormous improvement over the existing brush motor designs. I'm still surprised that none of those companies made the investment in BL technology, but they didn't.

It was a huge, expensive risk for Novak---developing and promoting a product line for which we had never been known. We sold the earliest motors for a couple of years before ROAR and the racing community were even willing to consider adopting rules. And there was pressure from the sellers of brush motors who resisted any new rules which would threaten their sales of the existing brush motors.

We offered to OEM our motors to Associated/Reedy Modified, but they worked with LRP to tool up a motor based on Novak's original design. Once the LRP motors were available, ROAR then considered the earliest provisional rules for the new motors. The first rules were shepherded through the ROAR approval process by Mike Reedy(Associated/LRP), who was then President of IFMAR---the international racing sactioning organization.