Monster Max 8S plans?

[Dagger Thrasher]

Originally Posted by lutach

Try this test and gives us feedback: Get a airplane motor mount, hook a nice big motor along with a nice big prop, try to achieve 120A and keep it at 120A and see what happens. Just keep in mind some of the burst our vehicle see might be upwards in the 200A for a short burst on hard start ups. After the vehicle starts rolling that number takes a nice dive like the "Stock" market lol.

I'm not suggesting that we use setups that have a consistent current pull that's almost at the limit of the controller; that would obviously be foolish, and asking for trouble. I thought you were referring to keeping *any* current bursts (including startup) below 120A.

Mynd's eye, that's fair enough, and it sounds like you really push your kit hard. If you don't mind my asking, what setup do you run on the Monster? And what MGM do you use? Castle aren't planning (that I'm aware of) any significantly higher-current controllers because very few people would need that capacity; instead, they're going higher voltage of people that need more gumption. A higher-voltage system in many of your apps would be much more efficient at even higher power levels, even if your MGM can take it. But then again, if you're happy with your MGM, just use that. Or, retrofit extra cooling to the MMM.

[myndseye]

Right now I have my Monsters on my buggy, truggy, and IGT conversions. The off-roaders participate in our enduro style races, and the IGT is an ultimate have fun car (great paint scheme, lights everywhere, aluminum wheels, and I paln on putting in the RangeVideo FBV (fly by video) system in so I can DBV. All three of these are similarly set up. Various Neu 1512's running between 3 and 5s but really setup for 4s. The hottest setup I have on a Monster is the IGT's with high gearing (Mike's 20T pinion) and a 1512 1D. Way past what any of you guys would ever consider, and arguably pushing the limits on paper. But these motor and voltage combinations never thermal, and it is mostly the batteries that are the worse for wear. Runtime is just ok, efficiency is lower, but the performance is unchartable. This level of performance is common-place within our group.
The setups that the Monster can't handle are obviously more demanding. My ultimate speed IGT2 has a Neu 1527 .5y with 30T pinion on 6s, run by the MGM 28025 and my MCD Race Runner has a 1527 1D run by the same MGM and the same 6 cell pack. The Monsters cannot handle the latter two, but only miss by minutes because of thermaling.

[TexasSP]

Realistically it looks like you are comparing apples to oranges in this deal. The MGM 28025 is over twice the cost of the MMM and designed with a different purpose.

I had the MGM 16024 and the MMM at the same time and running the same setup, same truck, same batteries, I could never get the MGM through a run without thermalling. The MMM has never thermalled on me and have have pushes it much harder. Keep in mind I had the latest updates from MGM as well and could update via the web. The MGM start up routines were lacking as well, basically the firmware is nowwhere near what the MMM has in it.

I am not saying MGM is junk, but pound for pound and dollar for dollar, the MMM beats it in everyway comparing the same level controllers, and the MMM is still 100 cheaper.

[bdebde]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

Realistically it looks like you are comparing apples to oranges in this deal. The MGM 28025 is over twice the cost of the MMM and designed with a different purpose.

I had the MGM 16024 and the MMM at the same time and running the same setup, same truck, same batteries, I could never get the MGM through a run without thermalling. The MMM has never thermalled on me and have have pushes it much harder. Keep in mind I had the latest updates from MGM as well and could update via the web. The MGM start up routines were lacking as well, basically the firmware is nowwhere near what the MMM has in it.

I am not saying MGM is junk, but pound for pound and dollar for dollar, the MMM beats it in everyway comparing the same level controllers, and the MMM is still 100 cheaper.

The 16024 was their last generation esc, the 28025 is new generation, which may also make a difference (plus higher current handling). I run a 16024 in my Muggy, and have also tried a MMM in it as well, and I will say that the MMM is a step above that particular MGM model.

[myndseye]

I whole heartedly agree with you both. I too have owned and burned previous generation MGMs to the ground. I've owned three 22418-3's, and none of them lasted long. This was pre Monster, so there was no other choice back then. These newer ones are far more reliable, but still have the quirks that make them fall out of favor with the masses, price included. This is the reason I am here making my request. It would be the best thing ever to get the programability, smoothness, and support service of a Castle product, wrapped around the brute strength of an MGM. The great Castle price point, wouldn't be bad either.

[TexasSP]

I see your point now and think we all pretty much are on the same page then.

I also do not like having the send my controller back to the Czechoslovakia for repair. fine if you are in Europe, not so if you are in the US.

Is there an eta on the 8s mmm?

[Sammus]

nope

[SV6000]

Hey myndseye have you had any dramas with MGM`s i was having lots of trouble with mine