Starting to look at new car options (1:1)

[Unsullied_Spy]

If you have money burning a hole in your pocket, why not a new Ford Taurus SHO or the Fusion GT (or whatever they're calling the SVT Fusion)? 30ish MPG on the highway, probably get 20 in town with your binary throttle foot, 365 HP, AWD, all the goodies.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are by far one of the most opinionated people i've ever come across on the web and life lincpimp. Stop with the hate already, its stastically shown and proven that Ford and in fact, all USA car makers can nowhere even come close to the resale value, reliablity and dependability of Japanese cars, namely Toyota and Honda. I've owned Ford, GMC and Dodge and they were all pure and utter crap to my Honda's, Toyota's and Subaru's i've owned.

My Civic will be putting along with narey a problem 10 years from now while your Ford truck sits in a scrap heap, rusting and waiting to be remade into something better.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by PBO

Linc are you saying your truck can corner faster than an STi?

Give me a regular road with some straights and corners and I will make it to the end faster than a sti. Not a track, cause neither vehicle is a track vehicle, just a regular 2 lane road. If you look at skidpad numbers the sti does pull a higher G than the lightning, but the truck has more usable power. I have driven both and prefer the truck, plus I can pull a trailer and put a sportbike in the back (only thing I would buy japanese over american). I have also raced a few sti, and the truck is faster in a straight line.

The only thing the sti will do better is gas mileage (and fit 5 fat chicks) but I am not really interested in that with a performance car. As far as Brian's choices go, the mazda will be more fun, and the camry will be more comfortable. I would take the camry, as a boring, slow, soul-less car might as well be comfortable...

Originally Posted by Freezebyte

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are by far one of the most opinionated people i've ever come across on the web and life lincpimp. Stop with the hate already, its stastically shown and proven that Ford and in fact, all USA car makers can nowhere even come close to the resale value, reliablity and dependability of Japanese cars, namely Toyota and Honda. I've owned Ford, GMC and Dodge and they were all pure and utter crap to my Honda's, Toyota's and Subaru's i've owned.

My Civic will be putting along with narey a problem 10 years from now while your Ford truck sits in a scrap heap, rusting and waiting to be remade into something better.

No offense either, but at least I do not link everything I find on the web to this forum... Its an rc forum dude... I think the term is relevance????

And yes, I am opinionated on a few subjects. If we had a brain surgery thread I would not chime in, as i have not had any experience in that matter. Same would be true if you were discussing giving birth or the menstrual cycle, yet again i am in the dark there too.

I have a 23 yr old f250 sitting in the yard, had it since i was 17. No rust yet, and it gets washed every time it rains, and the grass has grown up to the axles in the summer... I know a little about paint (18yrs at a body shop will do that) and I know how well the american mfgs coat the metal.

Your little civic is a cheap car, pure and simple. It has thin sheet metal, a little dinky engine, and a transmission with internals that look like toy parts. It does not weigh much, and gets good gas mileage. It hums and drums, lets in alot of road noise, and will develop worn front strut bearings, and shot rear axle bushings at around 130k miles. And the cv axles wil not last to that either. Neither will most of the suspension parts. That is the nature of the beast. It is build to a cost point, and you had better believe the jap geniuses that make it are squeezing every last cent out for profits.

At least my "rusty POS truck" was built here in the US with parts made here and in canada (I would rather give the canadians my money that the japs) and the profits went to americans as well.

Anyways, I have owned a variety of cars, and have worked on everything under the sun for the last 17 years. I have driven pretty much everything made in the way of cars and light trucks. Ford rules the truck arena, statistics do not lie that they are the best on the road. As far as rust goes, hondas are about the worst for corrosion protection on the backsides and inner structure areas. So don't bring up rust dude. Eyeball the next few 90s accords you see, everyone of them rusts just behind the rear tires about level with the trunk floor...

I will say that the american mfgs missed the boat on small cars, but they were too busy selling the fat and lazy big ole trucks and suvs. And just because something has good resale value does not mean it is worth a crap. It just means the unwashed masses read a consumer digest report and flocked like sheep to the same conclusion.

You can dislike me if you like dude, that is your right! Just do not call me out for having an opinion, and the desire to stand up for it. Too many sissy boys these days who just roll over...

And how are those smc packs treating you...

[PBO]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Give me a regular road with some straights and corners and I will make it to the end faster than a sti. Not a track, cause neither vehicle is a track vehicle, just a regular 2 lane road. If you look at skidpad numbers the sti does pull a higher G than the lightning, but the truck has more usable power. I have driven both and prefer the truck, plus I can pull a trailer and put a sportbike in the back (only thing I would buy japanese over american). I have also raced a few sti, and the truck is faster in a straight line.

The only thing the sti will do better is gas mileage

You've been smoking again haven't you

I have an STi & have driven a Lightning also & there is no chance - not even a glimmer of hope that your truck will corner better than an STi. You MAY get to 60 faster if I stuff the launch but once we're at a corner it's bye bye truckie

The STi has a lower COG, better brakes, better gearing in a manual box, awd, better tyres...your dreaming

Originally Posted by PBO

You've been smoking again haven't you

I have an STi & have driven a Lightning also & there is no chance - not even a glimmer of hope that your truck will corner better than an STi. You MAY get to 60 faster if I stuff the launch but once we're at a corner it's bye bye truckie

The STi has a lower COG, better brakes, better gearing in a manual box, awd, better tyres...your dreaming

I have to agree on this have driven both and the lighting is not going to get enough traction to take a sti from light to light maybe in the real long haul over 1/2 mile.

Originally Posted by PBO

You've been smoking again haven't you

I have an STi & have driven a Lightning also & there is no chance - not even a glimmer of hope that your truck will corner better than an STi. You MAY get to 60 faster if I stuff the launch but once we're at a corner it's bye bye truckie

The STi has a lower COG, better brakes, better gearing in a manual box, awd, better tyres...your dreaming

stock to stock id say truck for 0-60 just for brute torque (on good tires) and STI for cornering (on good tires) its all about useable HP and the trucks down low where an STI is top end.and you really cant factor in factory tires as certain dealers us different tire/rim combos.--josh