Is the CDC for real?

[Takedown]

I had swine, for about a week and let me tell you it sucked. I had a 103' temp, really sore throat and had massive body aches & was tired all the time. Never threw up though.... Still debating on if I should get the vaccine or not.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by Takedown

I had swine, for about a week and let me tell you it sucked. I had a 103' temp, really sore throat and had massive body aches & was tired all the time. Never threw up though.... Still debating on if I should get the vaccine or not.

When I had the flu after taking a vaccine to get into school, I had the high fever, body aches and was tired all the time as well. That was in the early 90's and it wasn't the so called swine flu. If a doctor says I have the swine flu, I would question him on the spot and show me proof. Show me a normal flu virus and the one I have. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't know what to do. So my question is, are this doctors confusing swine flu with the flu? This whole thing happened so fast and the public was even stupid enough to stop eating pigs thinking they would get it. What I noticed is how many got scared while looking at the media, but failed to look around and when that 1 out of 6 news came out, I told everyone it was complete BS. Funny thing is a lot of people lined up to be test objects for this vaccine(s).

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by lutach

So basically they're saying the vaccines lost its strength from sitting on the shelf. That shows me that a lot of people are not falling for this trap. Now the other concern comes up, what will they do to make the vaccines last longer on the shelf?

So I talked to my wife about this and read up a little as more info came out. She works in regulatory, and has a wide exposure and good background on these. I work for a med device company. I know some things tangentially, but its not my specialty.
The short answer to your ? is basically yes. Some components of vaccines have low stability, so they do break down over time. Each lot of vaccines are continously monitored after release for stability, and will be recalled if anything falls below spec. In that particular case it was an antigen (a protein)that initiated the recall.
She guessed that that lot probably had a component that was not far above spec when it was released, therefore its overall shelf-life was shorter than avg.
This is why there were no safety issues for no one had to retake the vaccine.

Originally Posted by Takedown

I had swine, for about a week and let me tell you it sucked. I had a 103' temp, really sore throat and had massive body aches & was tired all the time. Never threw up though.... Still debating on if I should get the vaccine or not.

If you already got the virus, you are now vaccinated against the same viral strain (ie you've already been exposed to the virus and are now immune.) You would not be vaccinated to the seasonal flu however.

Originally Posted by lutach

When I had the flu after taking a vaccine to get into school, I had the high fever, body aches and was tired all the time as well. That was in the early 90's and it wasn't the so called swine flu. If a doctor says I have the swine flu, I would question him on the spot and show me proof. Show me a normal flu virus and the one I have. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't know what to do. So my question is, are this doctors confusing swine flu with the flu? This whole thing happened so fast and the public was even stupid enough to stop eating pigs thinking they would get it. What I noticed is how many got scared while looking at the media, but failed to look around and when that 1 out of 6 news came out, I told everyone it was complete BS. Funny thing is a lot of people lined up to be test objects for this vaccine(s).

The swine flu virus is a novel variant of a typical Influenza type A virus. If needed, there are many ways to test for the virus. There are rapid diagnosis kits that can be done in the office and provide results in less than 10min.
Further testing may be needed to differentiate form one strain to the next (perhaps even swine flu from other Type A flu viruses.)
My company makes viral test kits, where the actual DNA of the virus is screened and identified with high specificity. IDK if we have a H1N1 kit tho. You would need a test like this, or another more sophisticated test to have greater certainty. This can get expensive, and results are not necc available quickly.

Any test kits will cost a good deal of $. Most docs are going to go off clinical experience to diagnose. They will see hundreds of patients every flu season, so get pretty used to the symptoms and don't need to waste the money to test.


Otherwise I got both vaccines this year. I didn't last year and got the flu. Wasted 5 vacation days laying in bed with fever and horrible muscle pains, and ended up getting sinusitis and a respitory infection I had to get an inhaler for, as my chest was tight and I was wheezing and out of breath.
F that. Made sure to get vaccines this year. Had a bit of a cold for a day after I got the seasonal flu vac, and my shoulder was sore. The H1N1 vaccine didn't do anything other than a buzzy head for a night.

[lutach]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/17429499

I guess France and some other European countries fell for the scam as he said around 30-32 seconds of the video.

All we have to do now is wait and see what new virus will be made next. Probably new mutated H1N1, H5N1, N5N1 or what ever code they put on them.

[lutach]

Bringing this back to the top. Like I said before, watch the profits for the Pharmaceutical companies. Sometimes it sucks being correct. GlaxoSmithKline for example had sales of just 720 million pounds for the Relenza drug and what's funny is that last year it was only 57 million pounds. The Q4 sales alone for that drug was over 250 million pounds compared to just 13 million pounds for last year. Their Q4 profit was up over 60%. In all total vaccine sale was up 30%. I hope they release the H1N1 numbers.

Good times people, let wait what the next virus outbreak will have in store for us.

[georgec]

I hope it's a bad case of spring fever

[zeropointbug]

Another tid bit, people who regularly get the seasonal flu vaccine, have much higher flu incident... who would have figured that one. I have never had a vaccine in my life(not a single one), and I have only had the flu once, when i was 5 years old. Every time I run into people (who take it every year) that tell me to take the flu shot I am just looking at them, 90% of the time they look like they are half dead, and are over weight usually, at least that is what I observe in my immediate area where I live.

Stay away from all vaccines, that is what I say. I have personally seen too many accounts of where the vaccine has caused the someone death (Gardasil), and every autism case I run into I ask if they have had any vaccines themselves (both parent and child), I have not run into one that has said no, yet. Not conclusive but at I know this for sure, as it is a truth of mine, personal experience is the best answer.

Luc, all the supposedly 'swine flu' deaths don't mean anything, they don't even test for whether it was regular or H1N1, or even anything else for that matter, it's just a 'swine flu death'.