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Originally Posted by Finnster
My cousin in Utah is married to a Bolivian, who is a citizen and is earning a law degree, and if they visit AZ, and if he decides he's going to take a walk in the park or go for a hike with his girls and he doesn't bring his wallet, my cousin shouldn't be getting a phone call from an INS detention facility that her family got arrested bc Dad still speaks with an accent and his english is still a bit rough. That's just F'd up and I don't care who you are.
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You say you don't fall into ideological BS yet this statement is just that. Go read the law first then comment. It's only ten pages long. It specifically addresses racial profiling and also specifically addresses that a law enforcement officer cannot simply stop someone for suspicion of being illegal. What it does do is allow them to check the immigration status of people they have stopped for other law violations. The law also specifically states that the officers most uphold and follow ALL federal laws and guidelines regarding immigration policy.
Again read the law and stop quoting Napolitano/Holder/Pelosi/Calderon/Obama and the rest of the people quoting garbage that has no resemblance to the truth.
So don't claim to not be an ideologue when clearly your views and points all clearly reflections of liberal/socialist philosophy.
I cannot also understand the talk about ID cards and SS numbers to get these people legal when in fact they are breaking the law by their own wheel in the first place. What makes you think just because congress enacts something like that all of the illegals would jump in line, start paying their taxes!
Stop the handouts and enforce the laws we have now.
Last point specifically to Lutach:
If an American citizen wants to work these so called crappy jobs it's their right. What makes you so superior to say the American citizen shouldn't but the illegal immigrant can? There are many people no matter how much school that won't have the mental capacity to do much above ditch digging and other manual remedial labor. In turn I have had people like this who work for me and they have some of the best work ethics I have ever seen hands down. I paid them well and treated just like any other employee I had working for me.
Several of my closest friends are immigrants, however they came here legally and went through the correct process to obtain legalized status be it visa, green card, or full citizenship. Why should others get to bypass the processes simply because they want to?
One of mine and my wife's closest friends is from Mexico city, she immigrated legally as a teenager with her parents and now has two children who were born here. She has been trying to gain citizenship for over ten years and has to fight to keep her status. She also works, pays taxes, and is a productive person. Tell me why an illegal should just be handed the rights and privileges she has worked so hard for?
What many cannot seem to get through their heads is that most of these people do not want to pay taxes. They want the handouts and freebies that come with crossing the border illegally. Like BrianG said, cut this out and most of them will leave because the incentive to come will be gone. The good ones will work on immigrating legally like it should be.