The Gulf Oil Nightmare

[JThiessen]

It really disgusts me to see people take advantage of tragic events to advance their political views and agendas.
You want to find facts on things - dont go to youtube videos. Do your own research and see what you can find. Look at what the CDC has to say, or OSHA. The chemical makeup of the COREXIT was NOT just released. If so, OSHA would not have an application requirement established - remember, they are a gov't agency, and it takes forever for them to publish anything! Everything from application rates, exposure limits, and how to respond are already addressed by OSHA, and the CDC.

[JERRY2KONE]

Unfortunately from what I have seen and read in the AP BP is not rushing on the cleanup with all of the great ideas shown on TV for collecting the oil for one simple reason. They hope to collect as much of the oil floating on the GUlf as possible in ways that will make it a recoverable substense so they can get some level of $$$$$ out of the oil and not lose it as a waste product. BP and the US Gov are hoping that they will be able to collect the oil from the surface of GUlf waters and get it into collection containers that can then be recycled into a refinery and turned into Gas or some other form of product that can be sold, so that this money can be used to cover the cost of the clean up. Not that this is the best or fastest means for getting this mess cleaned up, but it is understandable.

The other end of this is that cleaning it up prior to actually getting the leak stopped seems sensless. Otherwise they will be cleaning and recleaning the same areas over and over and over again, which will equate to cost over runs that are also counter productive.

[redshift]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

Unfortunately from what I have seen and read in the AP BP is not rushing on the cleanup with all of the great ideas shown on TV for collecting the oil for one simple reason. They hope to collect as much of the oil floating on the GUlf as possible in ways that will make it a recoverable substense so they can get some level of $$$$$ out of the oil and not lose it as a waste product. BP and the US Gov are hoping that they will be able to collect the oil from the surface of GUlf waters and get it into collection containers that can then be recycled into a refinery and turned into Gas or some other form of product that can be sold, so that this money can be used to cover the cost of the clean up. Not that this is the best or fastest means for getting this mess cleaned up, but it is understandable.

WHAT? *bangs head against wall several times, comes to, and asks again*

WHAT!?

That must be the most flawed, Twilight Zone logic I have EVER heard.

Jerry, please don't take this as a personal, but AP can blow it out their ass.
I haven't seen that particular piece but that is unmistakably the ESTABLISHMENT media making excuses for their slothlike response. That is total utter unadulterated crap.

Like BP needs to have a 'yard sale' to raise cleanup funds??? OMFG!
It's easier to "collect" oil that has spread over thousands of square miles?

I'm gonna withhold further comment on that.

JT, I posted YT video for the benefit of our shorter attention span readers, I know, what's the point. The info jibes with what's on the MSDS, I can't be expected to do all the research and I am sure some of the info floating around is incorrect. Overall that does not lessen the true nature of what is happening, on every level. Take everything with a grain of salt. Nitpicking does not change the situation. Thanks PBO for posting the data.

I wait with baited breath for OB's speech tonight, should be more hollow lip service no doubt.

[zeropointbug]

Originally Posted by redshift

WHAT? *bangs head against wall several times, comes to, and asks again*

WHAT!?

That must be the most flawed, Twilight Zone logic I have EVER heard.

Jerry, please don't take this as a personal, but AP can blow it out their ass.
I haven't seen that particular piece but that is unmistakably the ESTABLISHMENT media making excuses for their slothlike response. That is total utter unadulterated crap.

Like BP needs to have a 'yard sale' to raise cleanup funds??? OMFG!
It's easier to "collect" oil that has spread over thousands of square miles?

I'm gonna withhold further comment on that.

JT, I posted YT video for the benefit of our shorter attention span readers, I know, what's the point. The info jibes with what's on the MSDS, I can't be expected to do all the research and I am sure some of the info floating around is incorrect. Overall that does not lessen the true nature of what is happening, on every level. Take everything with a grain of salt. Nitpicking does not change the situation. Thanks PBO for posting the data.

I wait with baited breath for OB's speech tonight, should be more hollow lip service no doubt.

I don't think Jerry can have a unaffected mindset on these subjects anymore, he is old enough and 'set' in his ways for a significant amount of time for free logic to kick in.

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

I don't think Jerry can have a unaffected mindset on these subjects anymore, he is old enough and 'set' in his ways for a significant amount of time for free logic to kick in.

I am not quite sure of exactly what your point is, but your sarcasm seems miss directed once again. Maybe you need to re-read through this entire thread to realize what everyones perspective on this disaster is?

First off I have stated from the start of this disaster that what was being shown as a terrible tragity was only just the begining, and that things were going to get much much worse before things find their way back to a normal state. What was perpitrated by BP leading up to the cause of this situation is at the very least neglegance, but some people are pointing fingers as if they are the only ones at fault in this. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

We all know that oil is the root of evil in our world today which scientists have been saying is causing our atmorphere to become weak and even poisonous to us. Glodal warming seems to be showing its ill effects more and more with every tank of gas being burned feeing noxious fumes into the very air we depend on for life. feeding the cause has some level of fault in this disaster at every level of the food chain. That means all of us. If we do not push for alternative power sources and force our Gov to make changes then we will all suffer the consiquences for looking the other way while these companies continue to put us in harms way. Stop passing the buck and take responsibility for your part in all of this. BP screwed up without a doubt, but they are in business because of our addiction and it will not stop until we change the way we live. The Gulf disaster is a raving sign of our future if we do not make some effort to move in a different direction.

[JThiessen]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

I don't think Jerry can have a unaffected mindset on these subjects anymore, he is old enough and 'set' in his ways for a significant amount of time for free logic to kick in.

You continually confuse "set in your ways" with experience and knowledge.

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by JThiessen

You continually confuse "set in your ways" with experience and knowledge.

Thank you for pointing that our for him. The only thing he had right were the words free logic. Being logical is free thinking, but you have to have an open mind and at least half a brain to reach reasonable resolutions. Everyone is so quick to point their finger at BP blaming them for the whole mess. While they will more than likely share in most of the recovery costs and cleanup effort it will eventually be us the consumer who will bare the brunt of the fallout as this matter moves forward. Once BP gets through this they will conspire with all of their brother oil companies and raise oil prices so that the majority of this disaster comes out of our pockets. BP is already taking steps as a company to buffer this issue by removing the CEO and moving people around to make it look like they agree with us on the subject. That 20 billion dollar slush fund will disapear faster than you will believe and once that is gone BP will lawyer up and refuse to continue paying $$$$$ out to Americans looking for recovery funds or a free handout for those just trying to milk the issue to get ahead.

My stand is still that if we were not so dependant on OIL none of this would be happening. We as a nation need to get to the point of power independance and stop giving these oil companies our money. That will only happen if we the people stand up and force Congress and our Commander & Chief to pour all of our resources into alternate renewable power sources like solar, wind, and hydro electric power. The way our nation is running right now we need that oil and BP and all the rest are going to do whatever it takes to make it happen. All of it comes with inherant risks whether we like it or not.

That well is still spewing oil into the Gulf and their solution is drilling two more wells into the middle of the one that is already leaking and try to tap into it half way down below the surface. how well do you think that is going to work, and what if the cause even more leakage? Then we will have oil coming out of three holes instead of one. Every single thing they do at 5000 feet down is risky as hell and you can be sure that none of it is good for us. They already proved to the world that they do not know what they are doing, and we are letting them drill two more wells 5000 feet under our ocean. how smart is that?

[pinkpanda3310]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

My stand is still that if we were not so dependant on OIL none of this would be happening. We as a nation need to get to the point of power independance and stop giving these oil companies our money. That will only happen if we the people stand up and force Congress and our Commander & Chief to pour all of our resources into alternate renewable power sources like solar, wind, and hydro electric power. The way our nation is running right now we need that oil and BP and all the rest are going to do whatever it takes to make it happen. All of it comes with inherant risks whether we like it or not.

Is that the type of alternative power that has been surpressed by the oil companies for the last (?) years? The same type of oil companies that colluded with tyre companies to buy up all the local corner shops they could afford to buy and close to make people get in the car and go to major shopping centres? What your saying is spot on but unless we all dump our dodge rams (sorry JT) and take scooters to work the gov't will still enjoy the tax they get from petroleum.

Nobody will admit we are right where they want us. We consume it, so they will provide it, backed by gov't taxing it. This seems to me nothing more than a green issue for the gov't. They need to be seen to make an effort but if they are as switched on as Jerry they will help BP salvage what ever oil so it can be taxed.

Solar energy back to the grid doesn't raise revenue neither does wind power (as much as there is in gov't). So I reckon it's partly the oil companies surpressing the alternative energies and the gov't is letting it happen because they haven't found an equivelant tax to replace what they will lose.

[zeropointbug]

Hey Jerry, sorry about that, I was a little drunk last night and decided to visit the forum, I don't think I even knew what I was looking at, clear head tells me that the comment was simply out of line and misdirected, and you are right, I haven't been reading the thread, been away all week.