MaxAmps Race Edition Lipos

[josh9mille]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

What I would like to see is for someone in teh R/C hobby call them out in a big way. How about if they contact one of the major networks and request a spot for getting out consumer news on comparisons of Lipo technology in general. Using R/C batteries as their platform and put it all on the table for all to see.

Sounds like a good idea, but unfortunately tv stations are not going to give a crap about r/c stuff

[gixxer]

Originally Posted by molak

Poor maxamps guys, they had a little errata on their label and all the forum gets against them

Where it says "True 150C " it should say "True 15.0C "

It is sad but that is probably about that the label should say. Really makes you wonder how bad there regular packs are?

I was willing to give maxamps another chance, but this is ridiculous. True 150c, oh no I mean true 75c but I will give you a graph at 8c that doesn't even deliver full mah.

[fastbaja5b]

I'm sure the highest paid department at Maxamps is marketing, when you spend enough on advertising you can make people believe anything, how many magazines regularly have maxamps as "Battery vendor of the year" etc. The sad truth is, 95% of people who buy Lipos believe the hype and not the data, and are just backyard bashers who don't go too deep into it and have never looked at an rc forum.

I mean, people believed VHS was better than Beta didn't they?

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by josh9mille

Sounds like a good idea, but unfortunately tv stations are not going to give a crap about r/c stuff

You don't watch the news much do ya? Have you seen some of the crapy stories runing lately? News stations are always on the hunt for anything new and interesting. These are the kind of stories they send out their newest reporters out on to help them learn. I bet if enough of us wrote in to RCaction magazine requesting that a comparison be done, that they would eventualy cave and get-er-done. How many comparisons have we seen in their magazine in just the last year between different Monster trucks, Buggys, short course trucks, Etc, Etc..... Some one has to take this serious enough and realize that a great injustice is being done by some of these half A$$ companies and step up to the challenge of testing and reporting on some real world specs that we can all live with.

Who really cares about graphs anyways. To be honest even if they posted graphs I wouldn't believe them. Their claims are simply bogus and that is the end of it. Even if the cells were up to it (and they are not) for a battery with pissy 12awg wires and Deans plug to be able to support the kind of C ratings (150C or 75C or what ever the reckon it is) that they advertise is just pure BS. This is a company that has time and time again lied through it's teeth and probably will continue to do so.

[molak]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

You don't watch the news much do ya? Have you seen some of the crapy stories runing lately? News stations are always on the hunt for anything new and interesting. These are the kind of stories they send out their newest reporters out on to help them learn. I bet if enough of us wrote in to RCaction magazine requesting that a comparison be done, that they would eventualy cave and get-er-done. How many comparisons have we seen in their magazine in just the last year between different Monster trucks, Buggys, short course trucks, Etc, Etc..... Some one has to take this serious enough and realize that a great injustice is being done by some of these half A$$ companies and step up to the challenge of testing and reporting on some real world specs that we can all live with.

Rc car action .. are you serious ????

Are you speaking about the magazine who gave Maxamps 3 consecutive "best battery of the year " price ??

And the editor of that magazine is now marketing director of Maxamps ...

Great idea!! That will be a fair un-biased review!

http://maxamps.com/products.php?cat=285

It says 39 minutes average runtime. How do they get that number exactly? 39 minutes at 150c.. HOLY CRAP! Screw fusion reactors, let's use MaxAmps batteries instead!

So.. if I buy a pack that says 39 minutes average runtime, run it in any normal powerful setup and get an average of 20 minutes runtime, does that mean I can get my money back? Aren't there laws against false advertising? This is like Neu saying that their motors average about 60 MPH...
Also, 100% waterproof? So I can run this in my truck underwater, like in a pool? If the electrical connectors on the pack aren't waterproof (deans/traxxas/other connectors), you can't really advertise your product as waterproof. That's like advertising a waterproof camera that has an exposed battery pack and shorts underwater. Maybe I should buy a battery pack, go underwater with it, shock myself, and then sue?
I'm going to have to look into the laws of advertising, because I'm pretty sure that a lot of Maxamps' marketing tactics are shady, if not even unlawful..

It just makes me sad thinking of people inexperienced with the hobby looking in to electric cars. They see Maxamps have the best rated batteries, 3 years in a row of the "Best Battery" and claims of the best prices, etc. so they go for it and take the plunge to lipos, only to have a dead cell, or something that doesn't perform to it's rating... leaving them dissatisfied with electrics and maybe even RC as a whole. Kind of a shame, really.


On a side note, anyone want to buy this shrink wrapped duraflame log-- Err mystery battery I have here? It's waterproof, has a TRUE 175c rating, and will give you an average of 2 hours runtime. It's the best log-- err battery we have tested! I can post graphs of it's performance too if you guys just hang tight for a few days.

[Bondonutz]

Guys, I found the missing graph!


Amazing!

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by molak

Rc car action .. are you serious ????

Are you speaking about the magazine who gave Maxamps 3 consecutive "best battery of the year " price ??

And the editor of that magazine is now marketing director of Maxamps ...

Great idea!! That will be a fair un-biased review!

He does not own the magazine. He is an editor. You might want to look into what that means. He is responsible for making sure that the information provided is true and correct and does not get the owner sued or held liable for false advertising, or slander by making any claims that one product is better than another without proof to back up that report. Of course as the editor he does not have to prove that an ad is factual. Those are paid for by the vendors. As the marketing director he should have the ethics to make sure that what he is advertising does not put their company in hot water by making claims that are false.

The owner must decide on what stories are written and how fair and balanced comparisons are done. Otherwise they would have had law sutes from some of the RC manufatcutrers already on camparisons between different vehicles over the years. This is why I am suggesting that we all write to the magazine's owner/CEO/director or whoever runs this rag and request some testing/results on Lipo comparisons. If you want results in this matter then we have to step up as a major support group and demand some level of reality in their advertising. Or put together some level of equal, factual testing of our own that is unbiased in any way and find some varifiable truth of our own which would hold up in a law sute and do something about this. All of this bashing in someone else's private site is doing nothing to stop that maddness.

[JERRY2KONE]

So.. if I buy a pack that says 39 minutes average runtime, run it in any normal powerful setup and get an average of 20 minutes runtime, does that mean I can get my money back? Aren't there laws against false advertising? This is like Neu saying that their motors average about 60 MPH...
Also, 100% waterproof? So I can run this in my truck underwater, like in a pool? If the electrical connectors on the pack aren't waterproof (deans/traxxas/other connectors), you can't really advertise your product as waterproof. That's like advertising a waterproof camera that has an exposed battery pack and shorts underwater. Maybe I should buy a battery pack, go underwater with it, shock myself, and then sue?

Funny read there Cody, but they are not claiming that some other manufacturers battery connections are water proof. Their claim is that the battery pack itself is waterproof. If you have seen some of their photos on this claim it shows a battery pack sitting in a pitcher of water, with the leads hanging out of the water. Just like we want them to provide factual proof that their ads are reality you have to be careful how you write complaints about their products. Slander goes both ways ya know.

[What's_nitro?]

Originally Posted by Cody.McP

That's actually pretty funny. Sorry Mr. Wilcox......

[redshift]

Someone needs to find jayjay's original green girl/sun graph lol..

For that matter someone needs to find him, wonder if the wife killed him?

[suicideneil]

Whats the point of advertising a battery as being waterproof if they damn well know the whole thing cant be submerged because the connectors will short out, regardless of how much silicon they slap allover the actual cells? Its a pointless feature to try and advertise, just like the 150C/ 75C rating since the wires will never support that much current draw.

RCCA will never publish ( truthful ) lipo comparison results, nor will any other MA sponsored magazine or website- it's bad for business if MA packs are shown to not perform as well as they are advertised to. Common sense there.

Just like has been said a hundred times before, there needs to be some form of independent body ( like ROAR, only better ) that sets the standards for testing and rating of lipos and how that info should be displayed on the pack to let users make an informed choice; you could have a rep from all the major lipo companies give there input as to what constitutes the continuous and burst C ratings ( X voltage under Y load @ Z temp for ?? seconds ) in order that all companies adhere to the same rating system. Very simple concept, unlikely to ever happen. Until then word of mouth and user feedback will continue to determine which brands are good and which arent/ are overpriced; that may mean taking a leap fo faith sometimes to try something new, but its how the hobby, how any hobby has always been...

[josh9mille]

The connectors do not need to be water proof since electricity follows the path of least resistence. you could strip the insulation off the wires , put the "waterproof" pack and leads in water, hook a brushed motor up to the pack and put that in the water as well and it would work like normal, provided the + and - wires were not touching eachother or the motor can.