Need someone to get me a motor off ebay

[V0RT3X]

I want this motor but the guy won't ship outside of the US.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Just place a bid and hope for the best. I can send paypal in advance, if the price goes higher than arranged with me, you just refund the cash.

Hope someone will have the time to do it. Send me a PM.

[_paralyzed_]

Originally Posted by V0RT3X

I want this motor but the guy won't ship outside of the US.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Just place a bid and hope for the best. I can send paypal in advance, if the price goes higher than arranged with me, you just refund the cash.

Hope someone will have the time to do it. Send me a PM.

I wish I had seen it sooner, I would have helped.

[E-Revonut]

buy the real deal, a CC/Neu rather than buying a clone. Support the companies that are helping to push our hobby forward

[josh9mille]

Originally Posted by E-Revonut

buy the real deal, a CC/Neu rather than buying a clone. Support the companies that are helping to push our hobby forward

These lowlifes are even making a CC/Tork knockoff looking motors. Funny how they are "exclusive" to Kershaw Designs. http://cgi.ebay.com/Leopard-4082-200...76427105566278

[brian015]

I bought one of the red leopard motors back in the summer. I knew some people were saying that they looked like "clones" - but the reason I went ahead and bought one was that dealers that also stock Neu and CC motors were selling them (namely, OSE and KD). So if these are true "clones" that infringe on patents - why doesn't CC (or Neu) tell OSE and KD to stop selling them?

[suicideneil]

It's the people who are making the clone motors that are infringing on patents- though Im not sure if the patent has been granted for the NeuCastle motors yet, or if it even could be patented since most of them are only made under license from Neu- Neu are the patent holders as such. You know the deal with trying to enforce patents in China, more or less impossible; you really should stop insinuating that the Castle motors and leopard motors come from the same place though; if you didn't mean your post to come across that way, then don't imply it in the first place & think about what you're typing more carefully. You've seen this thread already:

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28709

[brian015]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

you really should stop insinuating that the Castle motors and leopard motors come from the same place though; if you didn't mean your post to come across that way, then don't imply it in the first place & think about what you're typing more carefully.

Is this post directed at me? I was insinuating absolutely nothing - I was stating facts. OSE and KD sell these motors. Period.

[sikeston34m]

Originally Posted by josh9mille

These lowlifes are even making a CC/Tork knockoff looking motors. Funny how they are "exclusive" to Kershaw Designs. http://cgi.ebay.com/Leopard-4082-200...76427105566278

They are not exclusive to Kershaw Designs.

Leopard Hobby has a flawed marketing stradegy.

Leopard Hobby has chosen 1 USA retailer to be it's distributor for every other retailer in the USA. G Freak Racing Products if anyone is wondering.

Leopard Hobbies has also set down rules concerning MAP pricing that pertains to the US Market ONlY.

Kershaw Designs, on the other hand, is buying it's stock from a OEM China Dealer, that Leopard Hobby is obviously selling to very cheap.

No retailer in the US, can compete with KD because KD isn't held to the MAP pricing.

It isn't that Kershaw Designs has an exclusive, but no other retailer can compete with them on price. This makes it pointless.

I've never owned a Leopard Motor and probably never will.

[brian015]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

It's the people who are making the clone motors that are infringing on patents- though Im not sure if the patent has been granted for the NeuCastle motors yet, or if it even could be patented since most of them are only made under license from Neu- Neu are the patent holders as such. You know the deal with trying to enforce patents in China, more or less impossible; [/url]

I'll add that I mentioned nothing of enforcing patents in China - I was suggesting that two US companies (Neu and CC) could ask their two US dealers (OSE and KD) to stop selling the clones. And I am genuinely interested in the answer. Again without insinuating anything.

[SunnyHouTX]

Looks like Neil killed off his last remaining brain cells in charge of language comprehension last night at the pub crawl Only kidding Neil.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by brian015

I was suggesting that two US companies (Neu and CC) could ask their two US dealers (OSE and KD) to stop selling the clones. And I am genuinely interested in the answer. Again without insinuating anything.

It's a good question

If I were using them as distributor for my product I'd be evaluating the situation

The distributor agreements may not be exclusive (might not even exist), they may not reference cloned motors, they (OSE, KD) may in fact sell enough of the CC/Neu product to be too valuable to loose as a distributor??

I haven't had a look inside the Leopard motor but a friend bought a 4074-2150kv for his Hyper7 and seeing it run seems like a good motor. Must be reasonably efficient because it stays pretty cool and power is similar to my CC 1515-2200kv.

Now I don't want to start anything but what exactly makes them a clone? Fact that they are 4 pole motor? Fact that they look similar? I am confused. How different can you make one motor look from another?

Not defending anyone but just trying to wrap my head around it. Also what brian015 said makes a lot of sense. Why is Castle allowing their US dealers to sell the Leopard motor side by side next to their product? If Castle felt so strongly that Leopard motors are a clone surely they would have put a stop to it.

[_paralyzed_]

what people won't do to save a buck... which I completely understand.

Money sucks.

I'll stick with Castle and have a course of action if I ever need service or exchange. That there is worth the extra cost.

Then you have higher efficiency, better quality materials, better qc (compared to none I presume) and you start to wonder why one would skimp?

People buy this crap hoping for CC quality results while keeping enough money to super size their value meal. These are the same dreamers that take out mortgages on homes they couldn't possibly afford.

Let the buyer beware

[suicideneil]

Originally Posted by SunnyHouTX

Looks like Neil killed off his last remaining brain cells in charge of language comprehension last night at the pub crawl Only kidding Neil.

Pah, I didnt bother going out in the end, stayed at home and drank cider instead

My point was though that:

So if these are true "clones" that infringe on patents - why doesn't CC (or Neu) tell OSE and KD to stop selling them?

sounds alot like Brian015 is doubting whether the Leopard motors aren't actually clones of the NeuCastle motors- like Dr.Evil using finger quotes whenever he says "laser beams"... ( you see my point hopefully ).

I would'nt like to guess whether Neu or Castle could stop another retailer from selling clone motors as, like I said, Neu owns the patent and castle only makes them under license from Neu.

The design may be just enough different for the patent protection to no longer apply ( look at Medusa motors vs Neu motors for example- both American motors ) regardless; whether you support Castle/ Neu or just want a cheap motor is personal choice, but supporting a brand that rips off years of R&D work still aint all that cool- such is life...

[brian015]

So, Neil, according to you, first I was insinuating that they were made at the same factory:

Originally Posted by suicideneil

you really should stop insinuating that the Castle motors and leopard motors come from the same place though;

Now you say I'm claiming they are not really clones:

Originally Posted by suicideneil

sounds alot like Brian015 is doubting whether the Leopard motors are actually clones of the NeuCastle motors- like Dr.Evil using finger quotes whenever he says "laser beams"... ( you see my point hopefully ).

I'm confused.