MaxAmps Race Edition Lipos

So Brandon, How about some facts. Easy yes or no questions.

Have you ever seen any of Max Amps cells handle a 150c load?

Have you ever seen any of the 6500mah packs, used at a reasonable discharge rate, use 6500mah?

Have you ever tested any Max Amps packs against other brands packs?

Did you see how many bad experiences had been listed, in the forum on RCtech?

[thzero]

And on the flip side, you have MaxAmps that advertises all over the place and pays rc people to proclaim how great their overpriced batteries are, with absolutely NO OBJECTIVE TESTS EVEN ATTEMPTED.

Sorry, I'll believe a guy that is well known in the community (which is NOT the industry, totally different segments) over a bunch of mouthpieces.

You make these claims, but never once have anyone really seen any objective tests of them to back up the claims. Just like the graphs you said you'd provide (which really wouldn't be all that objective, and would be circumspect to begin with). So if you want to talk FACTS, then provide them, or shut up. At least one guy stuck his neck out and tried to be through and objective about it. He's shown something, you and MaxAmps haven't shown jack (and no, starting a car or a dragster is not a viable experiment or test).

I would be more than happy about supporting American based rc companies (all my electronics are Castle) but you have to supply a quality product at a fair price. You don't have a quality product, you have an overblown product, at an overblown price that gets marketed and hyped like no one else.

"complaining and people would be posting negatively all over the internet" - Brandon. THEY ARE. You must have blinders on or something. People bitch about MaxAmps on every rc forum I've ever been on.

You don't hear the same crap about ThunderPower batteries, do you? [They are based in Las Vegas (http://thunderpowerrc.com/html/aboutus.html) so it's an apples to apples comparison] You don't. Why? Because they've been proven for years; yes they are more expensive than the Chinese companies, but they have a well deserved rep.

About the only thing I can say positive (and I have a few MaxAmps batteries; purchased when I was a newb) about MaxAmps is the choice of plug and balance adapters is nice. But its not worth the price of admission.

P.S. Just so we are prefectly clear; I am not a cheap ass by any stretch of the imagination. I am prefectly willing to buy quality stuff, but it also must be at a fair price for the quality, not an over inflated price.

Originally Posted by brandonwilcox

Keep in mind that video was produced by 1 man. A man who accepts advertising on his site from the makers of Ace Batteries. (Put 2 and 2 together here) So I will let you use your own brain, instead of letting everyone else think for you. If all our 6500 packs were really only 5000mah packs we wouldn't still be in business, people would be calling and complaining and people would be posting negatively all over the internet. We never received any complaints about those cells being underrated. In fact we have numerous people that report putting 6700 or even 6800 in those cells. We sell 5450 capacity packs and the graph that he shows in his video, legit or not looks more like our 5450 cells. Have a great day.

Brandon

[JoFreak]

Originally Posted by brandonwilcox

Keep in mind that video was produced by 1 man. A man who accepts advertising on his site from the makers of Ace Batteries. (Put 2 and 2 together here)

That's what Jerry allready did pointing out your relations to rctech and so on.

Originally Posted by brandonwilcox

So I will let you use your own brain, instead of letting everyone else think for you.

Jang is only one man, as you just pointed out and now he's everyone?

Originally Posted by brandonwilcox

If all our 6500 packs were really only 5000mah packs we wouldn't still be in business, people would be calling and complaining...

If my pack would puff on the first run, capacity would be the least of my worries too

Originally Posted by brandonwilcox

...and people would be posting negatively all over the internet.

That's what they do actually. But since you sponsor several of the RC related parts of "the internet" those negative posts get deleted.

Originally Posted by brandonwilcox

We never received any complaints about those cells being underrated. In fact we have numerous people that report putting 6700 or even 6800 in those cells.

We even had one of those here on RCM. He ran 2 different packs with the same load and your pack took a considerable amount more on the charger.
Turned out your pack balanced so bad, all the extra mAhs went right out through the balancer as soon as they got into the pack.

Originally Posted by brandonwilcox

We sell 5450 capacity packs and the graph that he shows in his video, legit or not looks more like our 5450 cells.

Aparantly you do. You sell 5450mAh packs, with stickers on them that say 6500mAh. Btw: less than 5000mAh charged into a pack that is labeled as 5450 is still poor. Not as poor as 5000 into a 6500 pack, but still...

Originally Posted by brandonwilcox

Have a great day.

Brandon

You too Brandon, nice of you to pass by and make us laugh

[thzero]

Oh this ticked me off too. You don't want someone else to tell me whats what, you want me to believe you otherwise why bother posting.

Sorry Brandon, I don't have time to do everything and perform every test imagineable. However, there are some folks running around (that don't work at MaxAmps) that do know what they are doing and talking about. I can get information from them and other sources and damn well use my own brain to make decisions.

And what my brain tells me is that MaxAmps is full of it, and I'd much rather go buy batteries from Hong Kong because they are cheap. I can buy a lot of these in comparison to one junky MaxAmps, and they may not been any better, but so what if they go bad. If I am looking for race batteries, I'll head towards ThunderPower or Hyperion (yes I know they are out of Korea).

Originally Posted by brandonwilcox

So I will let you use your own brain, instead of letting everyone else think for you.

[feistyacorn]

Guys… Please don’t piss off MaxAmps, or else they will stop selling to us and we will have to buy Hyperion, Thunder Power, or Hobby King LiPos! Now think of how bad that would be!



Also, I don’t want to think for myself. Can we please see a LiPo start a moped now? Please!!!!

[thzero]

Actually I've swapped over to Sky from HobbyPartz for my bashing batteries. Might not be quite as good as the Turnigies, but I can usual get them in the size (cells, mah and C ratings) I want with fast turn around.

Originally Posted by feistyacorn

Guys… Please don’t piss off MaxAmps, or else they will stop selling to us and we will have to buy Hyperion, Thunder Power, or Hobby King LiPos! Now think of how bad that would be!

[JERRY2KONE]

After seeing that video you are still not getting it. Coming on any of these R/C sites with anger and BS about how great Maxamps are is not going to solve your problem. Your statement about not seeing/hearing anyone else complaining about your cells is really interesting considering whats been posted in here. Its painfully obvious that your sponsoring venues are blocking anything bad from remaining posted in an attempt to make it look as if there are none. Unfortunately for you we do check these sites every single day and we see them before the sites have a chance to delete them.

All that said after what? a year of people asking you to show some kind of scientific evidence that your cells can not only do what you say they can (TRUE 150C), but can actually handle any level of direct comparison to competitors cells that sell for much less. Why does it take a house to fall on your head for you to show up or shut up. The web has been full of complaints about Maxamps cells and the fact that when they did complain to your company that they recieved the cold shoulder and at best were offered reduced pricing for a replaement instead of a free swap for a failed pack due to swollen cells or outright failure of the pack when it was still well within its warranty cycle. The best thing you guys have done so far was dropping making people pay for a warranty that should have been offered for free to show your belief in your product from the very begining. I mean what do you guys think that customers are just going to keep taking excuses and failures without speaking out? If you want to remain in this business than you have to hold up a good reputation by supporting your customers the way that CC has over the last few years. If your product fails then replace it. Check it for abuse or poor setup failures, and if you can not prove that it was a user error, then stop making excuses and stand up to the poor quality of that item. I have read time after time about bad connections (cold solder joints), and puffed packs right out of the package, and your employees refusing to do the right thing. That is why Maxamps is getting a bad rep out here. This is not just one man bashing your company, it is a huge number of people who are tired of hearing your hype and not seeing any evidence that you have changed your ways. So now what are you going to do about it?????

[gixxer]

Good to see a rep from Maxamps finally post. Sad to see they still have nothing to backup there claims.

I love how Brandon comes back to this thread to deny the claims that they had the threads on RCTech deleted, but he has yet to deny any of the claims that their battery cannot physically supply that many amps due to the choice in plugs and wires alone.

I guess he can't deny that the batteries suck because it's true. If it wasn't true, he'd deny it/prove otherwise.

[slimthelineman]

Ok I've had enough. The rctech thread being removed was bs. Ma is a sponser for them put those two together. After speaking with Brandon at rcx and with the recent true 150c claims I know for sure they are full of..... Well we all know and have for a long time.

So here it is Brandon, i'm gonna do you a solid. If your that confident in your new packs send me a two cell and I will go buy a 150a eagle tree and do a discharge graph for you at 100+ amps constant. Should be no sweat for your packs. I will send you the pack back when I'm done and post a real unbias graph of the data or facts if you will. I'm willing to spend the $100+ on a setup to end this crap once and for all. So what do you say? Can I prove your packs are what you say they are or am I gonna get blown off like we've been for a while waiting to see proof. Trust me when I say if they will stand up to what I'm gonna thow at em they are worth their salt. I've tested for cc before and love doing it. Let me know. I would love to just see what we are really dealing with. Unfortunately you guys burned me three years ago on a six cell pack and I will not buy from you again unless your new packs can deliver. So make me a customer again.

[hemiblas]

Hey Brandon, How about proving that video wrong. How about providing the graphs you promised 6 months ago to prove him wrong.

[josh9mille]

It will never happen guys, Brandon and the rest of the MA crew are nothing but scam artists. I am not sure how they sleep at night. I mean I know that Jason and Brandon are just doing and saying as they are told, but it is getting way beyond ridiculous. Austin needs to be put away with the likes of Bernie Madoff.

[TexasSP]

So Brandon, it's okay so Maxamps advertises all over the web and when threads and posts get pulled on said sites that do not favor Maxamps it's okay? However, one video by a guy known in the community to be straight and honest is illegitimate because some other battery manufacturer advertises on his site?

Let's see Chris at cheapbatterypacks.com also did some tests with your packs against his and others and yours came out on bottom. He was even nice enough not to show the name of Maxamps on the packs he tested. It was obvious what packs they were but never the less.

Can you even begin to address my post? Austin sure as heck couldn't, he dismissed me just like when I contacted him via phone. First I only ever got told he wasn't available and I had to leave a message. Then he would never call me back. Finally I get told that he said he would only offer a small discount on new packs being as my brand new packs failed. So since Austin himself refused to take care of me the customer, I go to the web and warn others about Maxamps.

I have run just about every brand out there and I will put a Gensace pack up against one of yours any day of the week.

As for people complaining about your product, search the freaking internet, it's every where. I can't tell you how many times I have been at a local hobby shop and seen puffed Maxamps packs as well. How dense can you possibly be?????

So you may wonder how long people like us here can go on huh? You may think or accuse us of beating a dead horse. But the fact remains as long as you sell over priced junk and flat out lie in your marketing campaigns that horse is far from dead. As for me I will beat this drum until a) Maxamps starts being honest and reduces their prices or actually provides packs with the quality to go with the price or b) Maxamps goes out of business.

As for you have a nice day and enjoy bedding down with all of your lies and dishonesty.

[JERRY2KONE]

Man it is hot as hell in here. You can feel the anger reading these posts. So Brandon do you think this is just a bunch of people who are out to get Maxamps? I think not. It reads to me like a bunch of supportive R/C guys who have had some bad experiences with Maxamps and want to make sure that others in our hobby do not get burned by the same BS they have. You can make this whole thing go away by simply providing unbiased testing of your cells and packs, and also showing comparitive testing of competitive packs from other suppliers. We all love this hobby and try to help each otther out whenever possible. Your customer support has been nothing less than disapointing to say it nicely. And this is a perfect example of that attitude, because you just have not provided any sort of testing examples worth a crap. If you advertise 150C than you need to post a graph that shows one of these packs doing just that. Posting a graph at half that amperage is just plain condisending. So the reason people are getting even more angry about your tactics is because you refuse to show the truth. Even if you tested and showed a lessor level and changed your advertising at least we would see honesty on your part. Up to now it has been all smoke and mirrors.

[lincpimp]

Ok, this thread has had 39,500 views. And there are around 19,000 members of this forum. So it can be infered that just about everyone on this forum has seem this thread.

And how many people have thrown up some positive experiences about maxamps? 2 or 3? I do not feel like reading all 49 pages, but it is mainly negative. So out of that many people we have all had issues with MA? Or decided that MA did not deserve out money cause of what we have read and heard from our friends? That is alot of people, I wonder how MA sales look these days?

So lets go back to the beginning of Maxamps. I was deep into 10th scale brushless with my then brand new mamba max esc and feigao s can motor. I was using tenergy nimhs, and getting them to work ok. But then I got a 4000mah 2s ?c lipo from Maxamps (I helped put together the inital order for the lhs so they could be a dealer, we had to buy 1500 bucks worth of product, and about 4 of us did just that) and that lipo really woke up that feiga/MM setup.

I was hooked, lipo was the way to go. I bought an ICE and a hyperion external charge thru balancer. I bet I bought 12-20 maxamps packs, pretty much every mah option they had. Even the 10000mah packs. All of them save for the 2100 cells puffed with less than 20 cycles and at way less load than any of the comparable spec hyperion,elite, flightpower, thunderpower, neupower, polyrc, and polyquest packs I have owned. The 3000 packs were barely useable with a roto start.

I have owned and operated more than 200 packs, and have worked on at least 200 more. I have had anywhere from 6 to 10 chargers and had then cycling, and balancing packs 24/7 for at least 2 yrs. I was around for the turnigy/zippy revolution too. I have bought the best escs and motors, and loaded them up with big heavy vehicles geared for stupid speeds. I once had 10rc cars in my hobby room, and have spent 10s of thousands on this hobby.

And the whole time, maxamps have charged more for lipos that performed worse than anything else out there. Nothing I could find had a worse power to price ratio. I looked. I have read reviews, talked to industry leaders, and even cornered lipo mfg reps to get info.

Another thing I noticed, take the hobby city lipos. They were a bit questionable at the beginning, but they got their act together and uped the qc while pumping out better, lighter, higher spec cells that actually did what the labels said. And they did it cheap. And they cornered the market in that price range. Near the end of my lipo repair days i saw alot less zippies that had failed, and mainly saw physically damaged packs to reconfigure. MAS nver moved with the times, they continued to hock their outdated packs with new stickers and big shiny ads in the rc rags. They got into crawling big (figured their packs might survive in the lower draw crawling enviorment?) but the zippies outdid them handily. Then they jumped on the vxl bandwagon, and sould 8000mah packs that could get a rustler past 70, for 300 bucks or something crazy like that. The whole truck cost 400 with a radio... And people bought the packs... Shiny mag ads apparently work on some of us.

I took maxmaps lipos apart(more than 100 of them). Their copper tabs were just crimped to the stock al tabs on the cell. Their soldering was no better than the chinese stuff. Nothing there to indicate those packs were matched (and seeing how bad they went out of balance I know they were not).

Maxamps got in when any lipo could make a setup 10 times better, but they did not keep up with the power demands of the brushless market. And they have continually lied and pushed out BS about their products.

This my personal opinion, and I would consider that I know what I am talking about.

Anyone want to guess what I run in my rcs? The sky lipos from hobbyparts. They work great, and the prices cannot be beat.

I can see that MA have pushed alot of marketing money into the rc business. But they got it in a dishonest way, even from me. A flashy sticker and promise of the best wil only last so long, ask the current pres how that is working out for him...