TB power motors at Nuremburg 2012

[bigblkblazin]

Look at that wall of sex .

TP website

Are all TP power motors 6 pole ?

What is the 1/5 brushless truggy they have sitting there . It looks mean.

[BrianG]

What I find odd/fishy is that it appears to be a Chinese company, yet the browser titlebar of various pages of their website displays "Lehner Motoren Technik", which I believe is German. A little copy/paste of a competitor's web source code? What else did they steal I wonder?

So, it may be a "wall of sex", but I don't think I'd deal with that company even when using a condom.

[bigblkblazin]

I don't know about the company . I am talking about the motors of 6 pole variety . Why does everyone hate china. Does Lehner make 6 pole motors ?

[BrianG]

Well, I'm not going to look through all their motor lines, but I did notice some that said 4-pole, and the really big ones said 10-pole.

And it's not that people hate China per-se, just their business practice of stealing other companies' hard R&D work and reaping the dollars. Not to mention most of China's motor designs are VERY close in appearance to other popular designs to fool people into thinking that they are equal just based on appearance when in reality, the Chinese companies typically take production shortcuts (thicker core laminations, weaker/substandard magnets, etc).

[bigblkblazin]

All Chinese companies are not thieves . From what I understand there are fundamental laws that allow a brushless motor to even turn .No one is reinventing the wheel lets be serious. Specifications of materials and construction are the variables. Anyone can make a motor seriously. There are tonnes of books on the subject. For me its which company with provide me what I am looking for within my budget . It wouldn't make sense to make a square motor to fit any of my cars . Motors will be round , Will have rotors , will have laminations if its 4 pole and sometimes will even have a color on them . And from what castle tells me even the good magnets come from china .

[nitrostarter]

I've seen a couple of the boat style motors floating around on offshoreelectrics.com.

[jayjay283]

Originally Posted by bigblkblazin

from what castle tells me even the good magnets come from china .

who invented them ? neodymium, and who now produces them with Chinese labor cheap ?

[bigblkblazin]

neodymium is a element . no one invented it.

[bigblkblazin]

More chinese hate . I am starting to get turned off.

[jayjay283]

Originally Posted by bigblkblazin

neodymium is a element . no one invented it.

god invented it, the usa and japan figured out how to utilize it, the chinese figured out how to make people produce them for cheap. Win Win right, like the Chinese not calling in our 4 trillion debt to them so our dollar goes to nothing and we cant pay the wealthy there to continue to make the poor produce stuff for cheap. Sound like where were headed ?

[florianz]

the homepage of tp power doesn't work, unfortunately. I have seen these motors on KD, and I am waiting for some detail pics.

Regarding neodym, it's sources are mainly found in China. so they aren't stealing nothing from somebody else. Probably other countries are jealous... what they did in the last year was, that they have increased the prices for neodym dramatically. But I guess 90 % of all Neodym is found in China. And about all BL-Motors have their Neodym. Still, there are a few manufacturers for that metal, and there are quite a lot of differend blends. from strong but not very stable reg. heat to less strong, but robust reg. heat, and so on. Need some rare earth magnets?
http://www.permanentmagnet.com/neodymium_sintered.html

As most of the metal is found in china, Bosch has already a new Motor in progress, which is working without neodym. Like that, future electric cars are independend of that metal.
Also Lithium does mainly come from China, and most manufacturer of Lithium-Cells are found in China, further in Taiwan, US (A123, they are in Asia, too) and Canada (Molicell).

who will by one of these motors?

[suicideneil]

Originally Posted by bigblkblazin

More chinese hate . I am starting to get turned off.

If anyone can pick up a book and design / build a motor, tell me, why did no one in China start producing 4,6,8,10 pole motors until shortly after the likes of Castle & Tekin did? Previously, you had to turn to Neu ( American ) & Aveox ( Neus former employers, also American ) in order to get a 4 pole motor ( not forgetting Mega motors or Plettenberg ( German ) ). It was only after the boom of BL ( rtr ) r/cs that China suddenly decided they wanted in on the action, and suddenly you see dozens of different brands all selling near-identical motors to the established American & European brands- to say nothing about escs either.

Also:

[florianz]

Tenshock is a chinese brand, which have developped their own motors. the design of their 6-8 pole-motors is unique, not a rip-off of any american model. afaik Hacker is getting their motors made in China for ages now, this is not a secret.

It's a bit easy to say that they are only doing cheap copies (just like Turkey, Thailand etc) or cheap stuff. It's not not only like that anymore, folks should get used to that. sure, there's a lot of rip-off, but that's not the hole story.

Example: The Carerra race cars, once made in Germany, have been made in China for many years. Like that, they can provide much better quality then in Germany, and that finally kept the brand from getting bankrupt. they were about to close down Carrera, cos the production in Germany was too lame, bad quality, too expensive.

Probably the best notebooks available are made by an chinese brand, Lenovo Peking (they took over the IBM laptops).

It's a bit odd to complain about china, but wearing sneakers, jeans made in China...

[jayjay283]

florianz Like that, they can provide much better quality then in Germany

[florianz]

yeah, crazy, I know. Kinda sad, but it's like that, the austrian investor Stadlbauer did it like that.