Speed Passion VS Mamba Monster

[littlegiant]

Is it true that the MMM is around 5mph slower than the HW150A esc on the same setup?

Anyway to fix it?

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by littlegiant

Is it true that the MMM is around 5mph slower than the HW150A esc on the same setup?

Anyway to fix it?

Up the timing?

As far as speed controls go, the MMM can handle 6s lipo so that makes it a better esc for MT and truggy. If you only plan to run 4s the Sp may have some advantages, but not enough to account for the fact it cannot handle higher voltage. Kind of a one trick pony IMO... I do not race so I guess I may be a bit biased on equipment usage. The MMM is more versatile, and looks to be a bit smaller too.

[Cain]

The SP ESC is a big sucker no doubt about that.

I guess I am having trouble justifying a $100 price increase over my Castle system to go with a tekin setup (since it doesn't include the hotwire).

[starscream]

Originally Posted by lutach

No wonder Schumacher can charge what they do, they have people like you baking them up. Man get your facts straight. Schumacher will eventually send the ESCs to China anyways. I can have Hobbywing make my own ESC too and over rate them a little to have people like you fall for it.

It's obvious you don't know who you're talking to but in any case berating someone isn't going to change their mind. There are thousands of companies that sell items that are licensed and re-badged as their own product.
Why not take it a step further and forgoe RCM and all other retailers and just buy straight from the manufacturer. Hell, if it were up to guys like you, there would be no RCM or other popular retailers out there.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Up the timing?

As far as speed controls go, the MMM can handle 6s lipo so that makes it a better esc for MT and truggy. If you only plan to run 4s the Sp may have some advantages, but not enough to account for the fact it cannot handle higher voltage. Kind of a one trick pony IMO... I do not race so I guess I may be a bit biased on equipment usage. The MMM is more versatile, and looks to be a bit smaller too.

If it were up to me, I'd run 8S but the MMM won't handle it.
4S is a must for racing, basically forced on us by lame rules but a rule none the less. The MMM does not run sensors so it could also be considered a one trick pony.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by Cain

starscream: Can you describe what you saw performance wise that was different between the Speedpassion ESC and the Castle MMM . I would like to also know anything you have seen as a comparison between the two like durability, etc. as well as how similar the speedpassion 2200Kv motor performs compared to the Castle 2200Kv?

I've only run the Novak HV 7.5 motor with the SP Esc and its so smooth you could rock crawl with it. Try rock crawling with the MMM, not gonna work too well.
The SP has proved to be very durable thus far. The aluminum case wraps around the esc and can be mounted to your chassis. You could remove the aluminum case altogether if you want but I prefer to have the protection and mounting options. The SP Esc comes with a standard fan so its easy to replace if needed. Need to replace the hobbywing fan?... you'll most likely have to get a replacement straight from China.

The SP Esc runs very cool and has gobs of power available. It is just as programmable as the MMM and the hand held programmer is just frosting on the cake. The ability to run sensored motors and the dual mode feature was really the selling point for me. If you want to race a sensored 4S motor, this ESC will do the trick.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by starscream

It's obvious you don't know who you're talking to but in any case berating someone isn't going to change their mind. There are thousands of companies that sell items that are licensed and re-badged as their own product.
Why not take it a step further and forgoe RCM and all other retailers and just buy straight from the manufacturer. Hell, if it were up to guys like you, there would be no RCM or other popular retailers out there.

So let me guess, were you the one who helped Hobbywing with their products, no. Speed Passion is only a distributor who placed the 2000pcs. minimum order to get it branded and Schumacher instead of going straight to the source, they probably signed a deal with Speed Passion and now they have to charge more for the same product to justify a good profit. Guys like me are doing good things for this hobby and more will come. I'm sure when I get my new ESC done, I'll show it to Mike and see if he wants he own RCM ESC. If you like to spend more on a re-badged product, go for it.

So, please tell me all who am I talking to? What have you done for this hobby that makes you so special. To me you're just another guy who wasted money by following the lies the Shawn Palmer brought to a good company. You should've seen how he started making false specs on the Speed Passion (Hobbywing) stuff after I stepped in. So until Speed Passion comes out with the 6S 150A version then you can compare it with the Mamba Monster, but if the 4S 80A version is priced the way it is, then the 6S will be like $300 and I hope you get one so we can have a good laugh.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by lutach

So let me guess, were you the one who helped Hobbywing with their products, no. Speed Passion is only a distributor who placed the 2000pcs. minimum order to get it branded and Schumacher instead of going straight to the source, they probably signed a deal with Speed Passion and now they have to charge more for the same product to justify a good profit. Guys like me are doing good things for this hobby and more will come. I'm sure when I get my new ESC done, I'll show it to Mike and see if he wants he own RCM ESC. If you like to spend more on a re-badged product, go for it.

So, please tell me all who am I talking to? What have you done for this hobby that makes you so special. To me you're just another guy who wasted money by following the lies the Shawn Palmer brought to a good company. You should've seen how he started making false specs on the Speed Passion (Hobbywing) stuff after I stepped in. So until Speed Passion comes out with the 6S 150A version then you can compare it with the Mamba Monster, but if the 4S 80A version is priced the way it is, then the 6S will be like $300 and I hope you get one so we can have a good laugh.

Who am I, well I'm starscream... obviously
Sorry to hear you have personal reasons to hate on the SP ESC but I suggest you think about showing more respect for others. Your berating and rants just make you look bad.
Maybe thats why your ESC endeavors haven't panned out like you've planned.
Just a thought

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by starscream

Who am I, well I'm starscream... obviously

So seriously, tell us who you are. I know lutach, his real name is Luciano and he is from Brasil originally.

Lincpimp is James and he is from the UK originally.

My name is Brian and am from Texas.

I could go on further but you get the point. Lutach has been very forthcoming about who he is and where he stands. Shouldn't you do the same? It's obvious you have some kind of iron in this fire, so why not just by forthcoming and not hide behind the internet.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by starscream

Who am I, well I'm starscream... obviously
Sorry to hear you have personal reasons to hate on the SP ESC but I suggest you think about showing more respect for others. Your berating and rants just make you look bad.
Maybe thats why your ESC endeavors haven't panned out like you've planned.
Just a thought

Unlike other places, I like to make sure what I bring to the market will be at it's best performance, so I take my time and don't rush into things like other places do. I have nothing against SP, but I don't like what Shawn (Maybe it's Schumacher, so who knows) is doing by making false specs just to make it look like it's better when it's the same exact product.

[snellemin]

I help Luciano test out his prototypes in the field. It aint easy doing R&D, supplying parts, and market your product all by yourself. But Luciano is doing it.

BTW, I'm Romano and originally from Suriname.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by starscream

Try rock crawling with the MMM, not gonna work too well.

I run a 2.2 crawler with an outrunner and a sidewinder, plus a 6x6 1.9 rig with an axi and a MM. Both use the same firmware as the MMM and both perform so well that I have witnessed 3 people ditch their brushed motors to go to brushless. I also have a few novak sensored setups, and they work as well, save for the lack of drag brake that the castle products offer. I doubt the SP startup can be much better, but I have not run one so I will not wave my ignorance around blindly like a dirty old man with a Benjamin in a brothel!

Just want to point out that the castle escs run all kinds of crawler motors very well, surf on over to rccrawler and see all the pros running MMs and sidewinders. I have not seen a SP esc over there yet, and those guys are not afraid to spend money...

Originally Posted by starscream

Who am I, well I'm starscream... obviously

Maybe thats why your ESC endeavors haven't panned out like you've planned.
Just a thought

I have watched and participated with Luciano for a year or so, and think he is quite successful considering rc is not his livelihood, and he has a beautiful young daughter to care for as a full time single parent. I can only say that I wish we had more hobbyists like Luciano trying to better the hobby... I know he may sound a bit harsh, but if you go back and read the threads on rctech? you will see why. Ole Palmer threw out some BS, Luciano called him on it, and then Palmer started backpedaling... I believe that Luciano is correct, and the HW 80 esc is basically the same thing as the SP unit. We have all seen the tests of the HW80 and it is obviously underrated a bit, and SP have bumped their specs to compete with other mfgs posted specs (not necessarily correct either). As far as having someone in the US to cover warranty and repairs that is a good thing, and possibly worth the addl cost.

Originally Posted by TexasSP

So seriously, tell us who you are. I know lutach, his real name is Luciano and he is from Brasil originally.

Lincpimp is James and he is from the UK originally.

My name is Brian and am from Texas.

I could go on further but you get the point. Lutach has been very forthcoming about who he is and where he stands. Shouldn't you do the same? It's obvious you have some kind of iron in this fire, so why not just by forthcoming and not hide behind the internet.

How do you know my name? Are you stalking me Brian (if that is your real name?) Did you steal my lint out of the washeteria dryer? You are creepy, stop lurking around my house with that trench coat on.

Originally Posted by lutach

Unlike other places, I like to make sure what I bring to the market will be at it's best performance, so I take my time and don't rush into things like other places do. I have nothing against SP, but I don't like what Shawn (Maybe it's Schumacher, so who knows) is doing by making false specs just to make it look like it's better when it's the same exact product.

Product testing is key. Always good to know what you sell.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

So seriously, tell us who you are. I know lutach, his real name is Luciano and he is from Brasil originally.

Lincpimp is James and he is from the UK originally.

My name is Brian and am from Texas.

I could go on further but you get the point. Lutach has been very forthcoming about who he is and where he stands. Shouldn't you do the same? It's obvious you have some kind of iron in this fire, so why not just by forthcoming and not hide behind the internet.

Hey Brian,
James is the name, RC is the game.
I've been around RCM from very early on. Dafni and I posted our Revo conversions at the same time. His was better looking but mine had a lower CG

Lincpimp knows who I am and I have firsthand knowledge of why he doesn't like maxamps batteries.

I don't post here for posting sake and I don't have a personal agenda. I post information that is factually sound and hopefully helpful. I have been fortunate to be one of the first to try different setups and I have no problems reporting what I experience.

I think anyones iron will get hot if they are publically berated and shown no respect. I don't take others opinions to heart but I won't put up with anyone making personal attacks.

Luciano can say what he wants about SP Esc's or anything else RC but if he’s inclined to make it personal, he better know who he's dealing with before he spouts out some disingenuous rhetoric.

[littlegiant]

Originally Posted by starscream

Hey Brian,
James is the name, RC is the game.
I've been around RCM from very early on. Dafni and I posted our Revo conversions at the same time. His was better looking but mine had a lower CG

Lincpimp knows who I am and I have firsthand knowledge of why he doesn't like maxamps batteries.

I don't post here for posting sake and I don't have a personal agenda. I post information that is factually sound and hopefully helpful. I have been fortunate to be one of the first to try different setups and I have no problems reporting what I experience.

I think anyones iron will get hot if they are publically berated and shown no respect. I don't take others opinions to heart but I won't put up with anyone making personal attacks.

Luciano can say what he wants about SP Esc's or anything else RC but if he’s inclined to make it personal, he better know who he's dealing with before he spouts out some disingenuous rhetoric.

Hi, I am thinking of getting a new esc. Can u list the pros of SP escs over the MMM? I am open to all opinions because I don't own any of the escs. Thanks in advance.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by starscream

Lincpimp knows who I am and I have firsthand knowledge of why he doesn't like maxamps batteries.

I remember that! Going back a bit, at least 2 years, huh?!