Mmm V2 Up In Smoke !!!

[TexasSP]

You won't see the little orange guys doing that!

It's coming to the point where anyone can manufacture a widget. Service is the key to any long term successful company in today's market.

This is why CC has earned the support from guys like me.

[J3110]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

You won't see the little orange guys doing that!

It's coming to the point where anyone can manufacture a widget. Service is the key to any long term successful company in today's market.

This is why CC has earned the support from guys like me.

...and how!

In my current stint of RC enthusiasm, I have had a couple of very positive customer experiences and in both cases, they were very small online retailers(like one-man operations) and had fully blown away my expectations.

Maxamps hasn't been bad either thanks to their online chat widget.

As for the "larger" online hobby shops, when an issue comes up with an order or something like that, I have been less than thrilled with the response(or lack thereof in some cases).

Seeing how Patrick is in here supporting Castle products on a daily basis is very impressive to me, so thanks for doing that. :)

[suicideneil]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

Well, the "orange" guys are not posting in the CC forum. If you have questions or need help from us, ask in the one, "orange" thread in the brushless forum.

We love you too though, just gotta step-up to bigger motors, and stop pandering to ROAR rules and regulations regarding motor design. If Aveox could produce powerful sensored motors in a range of sizes and kvs, why not the orange guys? its not like racing is the only form of Rc, most guys like to just bash and have fun- you dont need bunch of crappy rules to govern that kind of activity...

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

We love you too though, just gotta step-up to bigger motors, and stop pandering to ROAR rules and regulations regarding motor design. If Aveox could produce powerful sensored motors in a range of sizes and kvs, why not the orange guys? its not like racing is the only form of Rc, most guys like to just bash and have fun- you dont need bunch of crappy rules to govern that kind of activity...

I agree. We do have plans for a completely redesigned, larger motor. We will be releasing a newly designed 540 soon. So many projects, so little time.... Every crappy rule out there limits Novak just as much as the other motor companies----organizations, like ROAR, are very slow to change.

I love you, too! And thanks for helping Novak users with issues on the Traxxas forums.

So much for the derail. Carry on.

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

I agree. We do have plans for a completely redesigned, larger motor. We will be releasing a newly designed 540 soon. So many projects, so little time.... Every crappy rule out there limits Novak just as much as the other motor companies----organizations, like ROAR, are very slow to change.

I love you, too! And thanks for helping Novak users with issues on the Traxxas forums.

So much for the derail. Carry on.

Can I quote you as saying that the current ROAR rules (written by Bob Novak) are "crappy" when I propose new rules to ROAR?

[Steve Krug]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Can I quote you as saying that the current ROAR rules (written by Bob Novak) are "crappy" when I propose new rules to ROAR?

Please do so!

[FG101C]

Quick question on calibrating the MMM for Patrick. I have a Futaba 3PM with the 2.4 Fasst setup. When I calibrate should I only set my throttle and brake endpoints to 100% or go ahead and set them all the way up to their max at 120%? Not sure that it matters, but just wanted to check.

Thanks.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Can I quote you as saying that the current ROAR rules (written by Bob Novak) are "crappy" when I propose new rules to ROAR?

Lutach is going to have a field day with this^^^!!!!!

He loves the ROAR rules

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Can I quote you as saying that the current ROAR rules (written by Bob Novak) are "crappy" when I propose new rules to ROAR?

Novak would support ROAR modified rules opened up to everyone, with perhaps, size and price limitations.

With the original ROAR mod motor rules, Bob suggested, and would have supported, fewer restrictions. But, ROAR only wanted specifications that could be easily teched by race directors. The SL motors available then weren't made, or supported, by American companies nor had any of them shown any interest in racing or submitting a motor proposal to ROAR.

CC 540 size motors for modified were not available at that time. So, no point in re-writing history. By the time the stock rules were decided, there were many more motor companies who had adopted the sensored design for racing and voted for rules based on that design.

So, Patrick, why don't you submit your modified proposal to the ROAR brushless motor committee again?

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

Novak would support ROAR modified rules opened up to everyone, with perhaps, size and price limitations.

With the original ROAR mod motor rules, Bob suggested, and would have supported, fewer restrictions. But, ROAR only wanted specifications that could be easily teched by race directors. The SL motors available then weren't made, or supported, by American companies nor had any of them shown any interest in racing or submitting a motor proposal to ROAR.

CC 540 size motors for modified were not available at that time. So, no point in re-writing history. By the time the stock rules were decided, there were many more motor companies who had adopted the sensored design for racing and voted for rules based on that design.

So, Patrick, why don't you submit your modified proposal to the ROAR brushless motor committee again?

I don't know if you really want to get into this with me.

Stock rules were decided by Bob Novak and David Lee in a meeting that was closed to other BL committee members. Even though SEVERAL BL committee members did not believe that the stock rules should adopted as written by Bob. But Bob and David strong armed ROAR into adopting the rules, and ROAR allowed it to happen.


When I tried to get ROAR to change the Modified rules two years ago, I was told "These are the rules -- we won't consider changing them yet, the rules are too new." Last year, I was told "You have to wait until next year before we will even talk about it." So I waited until January of this yearand was told by ROAR: "You have to wait until next year, because we won't review the modified rules until then." And this is supposed to be an association that promotes racing?

I will continue to try to get ROAR to listen to someone other than Bob and David Lee -- but it seems pretty futile to me at this point.

And I'm not the only one who feels this way -- pretty much everyone else who works in the industry (but not for "orange") feels this way about ROAR. Other industry professionals go along with ROAR, and kowtow to ROAR, because they don't want to be excluded from ROAR racing (like Castle is now) -- but they feel as though ROAR is just an extension of the "will of orange." ... They fear being purposely ignored and excluded like Castle is -- so they don't try to exercise any opinion that contradicts Bob.

[suicideneil]

I'll happily beta test in my secret devonshire hide away too, far away from prying eyes...

[RC-Monster Mike]

I added Novak support forum area as well just for "the orange guys". :)

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike

I added Novak support forum area as well just for "the orange guys". :)

Is this in the category, "Be Careful What You Wish For"?

Thanks, Mike.

Now y'all carry on...

[suicideneil]

Oh snap!

But yes, they are rather lame- why cant the rules be relaxed a little- so long as two motors in the same class are the same size and kv rating, what does it matter about their construction techniques?

[wade7575]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

Oh snap!

But yes, they are rather lame- why cant the rules be relaxed a little- so long as two motors in the same class are the same size and kv rating, what does it matter about their construction techniques?

The reason that won't happen anytime soon is then Novak would loose there strange hold on the racing market and would not be able to dictate what motor you can use.Plus don't forget all the noob's that get into the hobby and start looking at the RC Magazine's and seeing that this racer or that racer used a Novak ESC and motor so they must be the best and of course they will go out and buy one.
I've been doing RC for 17 for years and I have alway's said that owner's of company's that make RC product's should not right the rule's for roar or ifmar or anyother form of racing.How could anyone ever think that the olny person's interest's are going to be looked after other than the guy who own's the company and his company's best inerest's.
And this is not Novak bashing it's my opion that no company reguardless of what they make should ot make the rules,I think roar and ifmar should be ran by people who worked in the RC indusrty and want to help improve the hobby and not hurt it.
I remeber when a company made a tuned pipe for nitro and wanted it to be approved for racing and Ron Paris at the time helped right the rule's for what tuned pipe's could be run and not run and he made more than a few tuned pipe's himslef and was the biggest opposer of another upstart company getting there's aproved for racing.