Mmm V2 Up In Smoke !!!

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

I agree. We do have plans for a completely redesigned, larger motor. We will be releasing a newly designed 540 soon. So many projects, so little time.... Every crappy rule out there limits Novak just as much as the other motor companies----organizations, like ROAR, are very slow to change.

I love you, too! And thanks for helping Novak users with issues on the Traxxas forums.

So much for the derail. Carry on.

Can I quote you as saying that the current ROAR rules (written by Bob Novak) are "crappy" when I propose new rules to ROAR?

[suicideneil]

Oh snap!

But yes, they are rather lame- why cant the rules be relaxed a little- so long as two motors in the same class are the same size and kv rating, what does it matter about their construction techniques?

[Steve Krug]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Can I quote you as saying that the current ROAR rules (written by Bob Novak) are "crappy" when I propose new rules to ROAR?

Please do so!

[FG101C]

Quick question on calibrating the MMM for Patrick. I have a Futaba 3PM with the 2.4 Fasst setup. When I calibrate should I only set my throttle and brake endpoints to 100% or go ahead and set them all the way up to their max at 120%? Not sure that it matters, but just wanted to check.

Thanks.

[killajb]

Obviously ROAR is behind the curve, whoever had a hand in writing the rules. Stock and Modified is all the regulation we need. If you can haul your ride around a track for a full race with a gazillion rpm/v motor and a 2 mega-amp lipo battery without overheating AND keep it upright, I'm willing to call you a winner ..sensored or sensorless.

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by FG101C

Quick question on calibrating the MMM for Patrick. I have a Futaba 3PM with the 2.4 Fasst setup. When I calibrate should I only set my throttle and brake endpoints to 100% or go ahead and set them all the way up to their max at 120%? Not sure that it matters, but just wanted to check.

Thanks.

Set them at 100%.

Thanx!

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Can I quote you as saying that the current ROAR rules (written by Bob Novak) are "crappy" when I propose new rules to ROAR?

Lutach is going to have a field day with this^^^!!!!!

He loves the ROAR rules

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Can I quote you as saying that the current ROAR rules (written by Bob Novak) are "crappy" when I propose new rules to ROAR?

Novak would support ROAR modified rules opened up to everyone, with perhaps, size and price limitations.

With the original ROAR mod motor rules, Bob suggested, and would have supported, fewer restrictions. But, ROAR only wanted specifications that could be easily teched by race directors. The SL motors available then weren't made, or supported, by American companies nor had any of them shown any interest in racing or submitting a motor proposal to ROAR.

CC 540 size motors for modified were not available at that time. So, no point in re-writing history. By the time the stock rules were decided, there were many more motor companies who had adopted the sensored design for racing and voted for rules based on that design.

So, Patrick, why don't you submit your modified proposal to the ROAR brushless motor committee again?

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

Novak would support ROAR modified rules opened up to everyone, with perhaps, size and price limitations.

With the original ROAR mod motor rules, Bob suggested, and would have supported, fewer restrictions. But, ROAR only wanted specifications that could be easily teched by race directors. The SL motors available then weren't made, or supported, by American companies nor had any of them shown any interest in racing or submitting a motor proposal to ROAR.

CC 540 size motors for modified were not available at that time. So, no point in re-writing history. By the time the stock rules were decided, there were many more motor companies who had adopted the sensored design for racing and voted for rules based on that design.

So, Patrick, why don't you submit your modified proposal to the ROAR brushless motor committee again?

I don't know if you really want to get into this with me.

Stock rules were decided by Bob Novak and David Lee in a meeting that was closed to other BL committee members. Even though SEVERAL BL committee members did not believe that the stock rules should adopted as written by Bob. But Bob and David strong armed ROAR into adopting the rules, and ROAR allowed it to happen.


When I tried to get ROAR to change the Modified rules two years ago, I was told "These are the rules -- we won't consider changing them yet, the rules are too new." Last year, I was told "You have to wait until next year before we will even talk about it." So I waited until January of this yearand was told by ROAR: "You have to wait until next year, because we won't review the modified rules until then." And this is supposed to be an association that promotes racing?

I will continue to try to get ROAR to listen to someone other than Bob and David Lee -- but it seems pretty futile to me at this point.

And I'm not the only one who feels this way -- pretty much everyone else who works in the industry (but not for "orange") feels this way about ROAR. Other industry professionals go along with ROAR, and kowtow to ROAR, because they don't want to be excluded from ROAR racing (like Castle is now) -- but they feel as though ROAR is just an extension of the "will of orange." ... They fear being purposely ignored and excluded like Castle is -- so they don't try to exercise any opinion that contradicts Bob.

[phatmonk]

So Patrick do I need to mod my new MMM V2 to keep the fan wire from being cut by whatever.

[marzac2]

Originally Posted by killajb

Obviously ROAR is behind the curve, whoever had a hand in writing the rules. Stock and Modified is all the regulation we need. If you can haul your ride around a track for a full race with a gazillion rpm/v motor and a 2 mega-amp lipo battery without overheating AND keep it upright, I'm willing to call you a winner ..sensored or sensorless.

Well said...

The rules are set-up to benefit the industry manufacturers (and from the post above, only a few lucky manufacturers are invited to play), not the racers.

If it were to benefit the racers and or help out with speeding up the "tech" process at major races, than it wouldn't be a huge book of rules and regulations. Just cover the most common rules and if someone happens to win with a homemade super juiced up rocket ship of a car, than more power to them for being able to pilot it to victory.

[phatmonk]

So should I set my endpoints with a a Spektrum dx2.0 at 100% with the MMM V2?And what happens if you dont.

[BrianG]

In this corner, we have Pdelcast, weighing in at XXX lbs. In the other corner, we have NovakTwo weighing in at YYY lbs....

Let's get ready to rummmmbllllle! DING!

[bdebde]

Originally Posted by phatmonk

So Patrick do I need to mod my new MMM V2 to keep the fan wire from being cut by whatever.

Originally Posted by phatmonk

So should I set my endpoints with a a Spektrum dx2.0 at 100% with the MMM V2?And what happens if you dont.

^^++1??

[phatmonk]

Originally Posted by bdebde

^^++1??

Sorry I dont have my secret decoder ring.Please explain in Human